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Hi, I quoted wiki sources and their contents to contradict the previous paragraph. How can you say my source unverifiable? Tonytran2015 (talk) 07:33, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Biasedness of contents

The entry

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Paracel_Islands

Has the paragraph: China first asserted sovereignty in the modern sense to the South China Sea’s islands when it formally objected[citation needed] to France’s efforts to incorporate them into French Indochina during the Sino-French War (1884–1885). Initially, France recognized Qing China's sovereignty[citation needed] over the Paracel and Spratly archipelagos, in exchange for Chinese recognition of Vietnam as a French territory. Chinese maps since then have consistently shown China’s claims, first as a solid and then as a dashed line.

No source has been cited for the claims that France had given the Islands to China. No proof of Chinese maps with the Islands had been provided.

I supplied two wiki entries (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Hu%E1%BA%BF_(1884), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tientsin_Accord) which contradicted the claims and the editor said that I attempted to change history and the sources were unverifiable !

However, according to the treaty of Hue (1984) France guaranteed the integrity of Vietnam.

Translation:
Article 15. France undertakes to guarantee henceforth the integrity of the realms of His Majesty the King of Annam, and to defend this Sovereign against all external aggression and internal rebellion. To this effect, the French authorities may station troops at whatever points in the territory of Annam and Tonkin they judge necessary for the effective functioning of the protectorate.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Hu%E1%BA%BF_(1884)

So France had no territory to give to China.

The entirety of the Tientsin Accord [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tientsin_Accord] is printed below

Text of the accord (original French)
The original French text of the accord, in five articles, is given below. English Translation is also available from same source.
Art. 1. La France s’engage à respecter et à protéger contre toute agression d’une nation quelconque, et en toutes circonstances, les frontières méridionales de la Chine, limitrophes du Tonkin.
Art 2. Le Céleste Empire, rassuré par les garanties formelles de bon voisinage qui lui sont données par la France, quant à l’intégrité et à la sécurité des frontières méridionales de la Chine, s’engage : 1° à retirer immédiatement, sur ses frontières les garnisons chinoises du Tonkin ; 2° à respecter dans le présent et dans l’avenir, les traités directement intervenus ou à intervenir entre la France et la Cour de Hué.
Art. 3. En reconnaissance de l’attitude conciliante du Gouvernement du Céleste Empire, et pour rendre hommage à la sagesse patriotique de Son Excellence Li-Hong-Chang, négociateur de cette convention, la France renonce à demander une indemnité à la Chine. En retour, la Chine s’engage à admettre, sur toute l’étendue de ses frontières méridionales limitrophes du Tonkin, le libre trafic des marchandises entre l’Annam et la France d’une part, et la Chine de l’autre, réglé par un traité de commerce et de tarifs à intervenir, dans l’esprit le plus conciliant, de la part des négociateurs chinois, et dans des conditions aussi avantageuses que possible pour le commerce français.
Art. 4. Le Gouvernement français s’engage à n’employer aucune expression de nature à porter atteinte au prestige du Céleste Empire, dans la rédaction du traité définitif qu’il va contracter avec l’Annam et qui abrogera les traités antérieurs relatifs au Tonkin.
Art. 5. Dès que la présente Convention aura été signée, les deux Gouvernements nommeront leurs Plénipotentiaires, qui se réuniront, dans un délai de trois mois, pour élaborer un traité définitif sur les bases fixées par les articles précédents.
Conformément aux usages diplomatiques, le texte français fera foi.
Fait à Tien-Tsin, le 11 mai 1884, le dix-septième jour de la quatrième lune de la dixième année du Kouang-Sin, en quatre expéditions (deux en langue française et deux en langue chinoise), sur lesquelles les Plénipotentiaires respectifs ont signé et apposé le sceau de leurs armes.
Chacun des Plénipotentiaires a gardé un exemplaire de chaque texte.
Signé : Ll-HONG-TCHANG. Signé : FOURNIER.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tientsin_Accord

So all claims on possession by succession by China are unsubstantiated

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Biasedness of contents

The entry

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Paracel_Islands

Has the paragraph: China first asserted sovereignty in the modern sense to the South China Sea’s islands when it formally objected[citation needed] to France’s efforts to incorporate them into French Indochina during the Sino-French War (1884–1885). Initially, France recognized Qing China's sovereignty[citation needed] over the Paracel and Spratly archipelagos, in exchange for Chinese recognition of Vietnam as a French territory. Chinese maps since then have consistently shown China’s claims, first as a solid and then as a dashed line.

No source has been cited for the claims that France had given the Islands to China. No proof of Chinese maps with the Islands had been provided.

I supplied two wiki entries (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Hu%E1%BA%BF_(1884), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tientsin_Accord) which contradicted the claims and the editor Dan Cherek said that I attempted to change history and the sources were unreliable !

Battle of the Paracel Islands (edit)

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rvt WP:OR, please summarize information from reliable secondary sources

I then put the remark "unsubstantiated claims" then I got a message from ClueBot: Edit

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Thank you. ClueBot NG (talk) 07:48, 1 January 2022 (UTC) Tonytran2015 (talk) 11:24, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]