User talk:Tommyviper
December 2019
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Hello Tommyviper. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, such as the edit you made to Muncie, Indiana, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially egregious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat SEO.
Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists, and if it does not, from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.
Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Tommyviper. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Tommyviper|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. John from Idegon (talk) 02:58, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
- I am not being compensated. I listed Muncie's neighborhoods like other city Wikipedia pages do. The Delaware County GIS Department (Muncie is in Delaware County), has mapped them here: https://delcogis.maps.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?webmap=f9e36453d4f446b5bc090ffd4ae7c8d3, which is linked to from here: https://delcogis.maps.arcgis.com/home/item.html?id=f9e36453d4f446b5bc090ffd4ae7c8d3. The county's GIS page (https://www.co.delaware.in.us/department/division.php?structureid=119), directly links to delcogis.maps.arcgis.com (and even displays that URL right on the page). Tommyviper (talk) 06:17, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
- You clearly have a vested interest in adding this content. What is your relationship with the organization you are citing? If you have any relationship with the org, Ball State or the city, you must declare your conflict of interest. Additionally you need to consider this as a second level warning: your editing methods are disruptive. Verifiability is not the end of what is needed, even though you haven't even met that yet (primary sources). Content is decided by consensus. Disputed new content stays OUT until a consensus is reached. Putting it back without consensus is edit warring, and is considered disruptive. All the sources you've listed are primary. Encyclopedias are tertiary. That means before you can add a listing of neighborhoods verified to some org, you'll need secondary sources vetting that these are legit names for the neihhborhoods, and that their existence is reflected in secondary sources. Then, and only then, can use primary sources like the list on the org's website. But no matter how you choose to go forward on this, do it at Talk:Muncie, Indiana and seek consensus. You made your WP:BOLD edit, the first one I reverted. Now, you are obligated to follow WP:BRD, and wait until interested parties have formed a consensus on how and if to cover this. John from Idegon (talk) 20:29, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
- My sole relationship with both the city of Muncie, Indiana, and with the encompassing Delaware County, is that I reside within them. Muncie and Delaware County assign neighborhood names without the consensus of Wikipedia users. Their official government websites serve as the official documentation for the decisions that these governing bodies make over their constituents. You are implying otherwise that the city's/county's decisions only hold true if they passed consensus of members that do not hold a seat in those governing bodies.Tommyviper (talk) 05:11, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
- https://goo.gl/maps/Mo42zz5QQHnmxT55A is another source. However, Google's cache of Muncie's neighborhood names is stale. Nonetheless, gasp, it shows Muncie has neighborhoods.Tommyviper (talk) 05:11, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
- My sole relationship with both the city of Muncie, Indiana, and with the encompassing Delaware County, is that I reside within them. Muncie and Delaware County assign neighborhood names without the consensus of Wikipedia users. Their official government websites serve as the official documentation for the decisions that these governing bodies make over their constituents. You are implying otherwise that the city's/county's decisions only hold true if they passed consensus of members that do not hold a seat in those governing bodies.Tommyviper (talk) 05:11, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
- You clearly have a vested interest in adding this content. What is your relationship with the organization you are citing? If you have any relationship with the org, Ball State or the city, you must declare your conflict of interest. Additionally you need to consider this as a second level warning: your editing methods are disruptive. Verifiability is not the end of what is needed, even though you haven't even met that yet (primary sources). Content is decided by consensus. Disputed new content stays OUT until a consensus is reached. Putting it back without consensus is edit warring, and is considered disruptive. All the sources you've listed are primary. Encyclopedias are tertiary. That means before you can add a listing of neighborhoods verified to some org, you'll need secondary sources vetting that these are legit names for the neihhborhoods, and that their existence is reflected in secondary sources. Then, and only then, can use primary sources like the list on the org's website. But no matter how you choose to go forward on this, do it at Talk:Muncie, Indiana and seek consensus. You made your WP:BOLD edit, the first one I reverted. Now, you are obligated to follow WP:BRD, and wait until interested parties have formed a consensus on how and if to cover this. John from Idegon (talk) 20:29, 1 December 2019 (UTC)