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you are a bad wikipedian

you should not pick and chose your arguments as you are here and should back away slowly defeated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.102.31.108 (talk) 17:30, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Haha. How you come me and judge me as a Wikipedian on my single comment that obviously you don't like it? I am only telling what the article says. I don't know with what thing I hurt you. I was pretty clear there. — Tomica (talk) 17:33, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Actually you pick and chose as you do not read the entire article all the way throw or you'd see online distribution on that page says cheaper meaning you pay for a promo but you want to pick and chose so your the bad one not me. sorry you don't want to see that the page says that that is not my fault. Promotional recording: Online promotional distribution go ahead read it.

No one of those application is iTunes or Amazon or 7digital. They sell songs. If the song has a price (for full time not limited) the song is a single. And on Wikipedia there is no bad or good people, but editors (obviously here u didn't see any of my edit). I just responded what I think, didn't curse you or offend. This is pure WP:PERSONNALATTACK.— Tomica (talk) 17:40, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

You need to read the definition of promotion which clearly states:

the act of furthering the growth or development of something; especially : the furtherance of the acceptance and sale of merchandise through advertising, publicity, or discounting the act of furthering the growth or development of something; especially : the furtherance of the acceptance and sale of merchandise through advertising, publicity, or discounting

and no where does it say it has to be free and remember that stating you are bad is not a personal attack. you are just using that cause you are losing your case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.102.31.108 (talk) 17:58, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Promotion is a word that is very general word. Promotional recording is something else. Btw, just read the opening sentence. Not discussing anymore. And I am not loosing anything, for the record. — Tomica (talk) 18:04, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes you are cause a promotional recording can also mean a recording use to promote an album, movie, charity, and other types of media or cause and so on but doesn't always have to be free. So there.

Sometimes people only see what they want to see and do not realize there is more then one way for something to be promotional outside of the generally old ways they use to be i have read everything going on here and have seen no reason for this user to be mad at another IP address for stating what they are doing wrong. A promotional recording is not only a free cd single that is not released to the general public but is also a recording used to promote something and who ever said promotional digital recordings are free i ask? not all promotions are free whether it is acknowledged or not it is a cold hard fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.82.64.35 (talk) 21:30, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

A promotional single is a very specific term. You can't just pick apart the words and use their separate meanings. Zac  21:38, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

FFS

You're never here when I am. Zac  21:36, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm Into You

We gotta finish this weekend. Zac  13:56, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

I will probs not be home for the weekend. We will make some agreement. — Tomica (talk) 14:03, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Come back! Zac  15:08, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

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Rihanna is the first woman ever

She's the first woman ever to receive two video's of the year, her first was for Umbrella, and her second was for We Found Love. This is important information. Can we please add it to her page. Please and Thank You!

Here is the source

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTV_Video_Music_Award_for_Video_of_the_Year

http://rihannaindonesia.com/2012/09/07/rihanna-wins-video-of-the-year-and-made-history-at-mtv-vma-2012/

--Braina90 (talk) 21:04, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Not done; Wikipedia is not an appropriate source because it is not a secondary source. Rihannaindonesia.com is a fansite and is therefore not a professional reputable source. Examples of reliable sources include magazines, newspapers and TV news sites. Feel free to provide one. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 01:00, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Let Me Love You (Until You Learn to Love Yourself)

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Rihanna's seventh studio album

November 2012?? Can you believe this, why why why is this happening! Such a big mistake to release another album 5 months before she goes on tour. I'll always welcome a new Rihanna album but I think this is a huge mistake. She must have signed a new contract with Def Jam because her last one was for 6 albums. (Why has she started to release singles from the previous album so close to the next album?) AARON• ^TALK 15:20, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

This article is much of WP:CRYSTAL and WP:OWN. I think that they will push the release for January 2013, since they pushed the promotion of the single too. Originally, Monday, now its scheduled to premiere today, but we will see. "Cockiness" was a total mistake, and huge flop too. She should remove it from iTunes and be only promo single. WHYB and WFL for the VMA's would be just fine. — Tomica (talk) 15:41, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

It needs copy-editing but I see no reason for it to be deleted or anything. Garret said it's a mish-mash of genres, so it's basically TTT Pt.2, only half good. AARON• ^TALK 16:20, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Let's not hope that is TTT part 2 ... Please!!! We better hope is something like GGGB, Rated R or Loud. Those were masterpieces. — Tomica (talk) 16:22, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

We know she can produce an amazing album from a personal experience which has substance, like Rated R, and we know she can create an amazing album during a tour, like Loud. TTT isn't all bad, but it wasn't completely good. Some forgettable fillers. This album needs to be better than Loud, and it needs to be #1 on the Billboard 200. It's very important, as she still lacks credibility for failure to hit #1. AARON• ^TALK 21:15, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

RE: Cry me a River

Erm, I'm quite busy moving house atm but if I get chance I'll take a look. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 16:25, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Let Me Love You (Until You Learn to Love Yourself)

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RE: MTV Europe Music Award for Best Song

Look for 2001 and 2003. This is WANDALISM!--Spacejam2 (talk) 14:28, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Hello, not a test. Please see...

WT:WikiProject_Songs/Archive_4#Singles_release_date_is_when_FIRST_being_SOLD_as_a_Single.2C_NOT_Radio_Airplay, Radio date = Single creation in some cases per consensus at WT:SONG but it is not called 'Release'. It's really 'sent to radio', 'impacting radio', etc but NOT 'released' to Radio because the industry does NOT call it that.

I don't understand why it is necessary to show the entire album track list on a song or single article when the album title is shown and linked in the infobox header with the artwork and titles and also shown in the LEAD and possibly elsewhere in the article as well. Just visit the parent album page to see that material if desired.—99.186.119.110 (talk) 14:35, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

I don't have nothing with (Radio) be to the release date, but the template with the track listing should be there. That's the reason why they are created. — Tomica (talk) 16:03, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

If I understood you properly, you have no problem with (Radio) in the infobox. I have restored it. If you still dispute, please note the article text, "Def Jam Recordings serviced the song to urban radio in the United States on January 17, 2012 as the third single from Talk That Talk." It says 'serviced' the song to radio, NOT 'released' the song to radio. I put (Radio) in the infobox to disambiguate the field titled 'Release' as Radio is NOT called release. It is 'sent to radio', impacting radio', ' going for adds', etc.

I understand that a track listing template is available, but just because something exists doesn't mean it has to be used. I think it is superfluous to have the ENTIRE album track list at a song/single article. The article is about the song/single...why is it so important to show all the OTHER songs that happen to be on the same album. I think you would want to encourage readers to visit the album article if they have any interest about more material about the album (including seeing all the songs that appear on the album). Also can the infobox template show all the different versions of the track list like the album page can? Standard, Deluxe, various bonus tracks, like iTunes and International versions...that is just too much material to put in an infobox. So since ALL the material cannnot be properly reported, isn't it best to not show it at all, and let readers go to the album page where it can ALL be properly displayed? —99.186.119.110 (talk) 19:54, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Do you agree with me now? I don't see that you are trying to further support (in discussion) that FULL album track listings are needed on song/single articles. That template was probably created with 'old school' album releases in mind when there was only one straightforward version of the album. Many albums have SEVERAL various versions these days, one that I noticed just recently is Kiss, but many many others also exist. How would/could ALL that track listing material be understandably displayed in an infobox template? Infoboxes are supposed to be a summary, not full of lists, etc. We do show a simple chronology of past, current and next album or single depending on the article. We do not show the entire artist's chronology there, as again this would be just be too much material for a summary. If you do not wish to reply, I shall presume that you acquiesce and I shall edit accordingly.--99.186.119.110 (talk) 02:46, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Of course I don't agree with you. The template should stay so people can navigate better through the songs from the album. If it is created, there is reason. TTT has articles for all the songs Kiss does not, so this can stay totally. — Tomica (talk) 08:21, 29 September 2012 (UTC)