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On your edits to Spanish election articles

I thank you for your effort in trying to help by uploading photos of Spanish elections by municipalities at all levels, specially for the Balearic Islands, but I really think this needs some sort of coordination between the two of us. I don't know in which programme do you edit your images, but your color shades do frequently not match those of the ones I upload, which forces me to keep going through all of these to fix them with the correct colours. However, there's a whole lot of these images (and many more that I've in reserve for many other provinces and that I haven't uploaded because I know you'd just go and upload your own from these, and force me to do a double work), and you keep uploading more without notice (in many cases I find them by chance). For me it's much more easier to edit blank maps than to correct already coloured ones. I know there's a lot of provinces, with a lot of municipalities, for a lot of different elections, and I'm a busy man and I don't have as much time as I'd like to to complete all of these at a quick pace, so I do what I can. However, if everytime I try to complete a stage of the whole process of election results for Spanish elections (i.e. such as the one I did recently for the 2014 European Parliament election) you keep uploading those images, you only achieve two things: 1. That I get frustrated because I then have to divert the little time I've to fix your images, and 2. That I simply just choose to keep from doing anything until I get those images done myself, which may very well stall the work I do on these articles in many areas.

I'm aware that you keep following my work (since I don't think it's a coincidence that your edits mostly focuse on articles that I've recently edited, aside from those for Balearic elections, and also expand on those areas of work that I've initiated (such as Basque and Galician elections), but please, really, we should get some coordination on this, because otherwise we'd be just mutually hamper the other's job. Cheers. Impru20 (talk) 17:39, 8 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Well, I initially started uploading images thinking it was an easy job. Then I realized that making up the tables with election results and the such was more complicated than I initially expected (since I had to check that every number was right and corresponded with those shown in the sources, so I have to review each table I made twice or thrice at the very least to ensure everything is alright). And obviously it didn't make much sense to have images if the tables weren't done first. As making images is more time consuming (due to the large number of municipalities and the fact that they must be painted one by one), I centered myself on just having the tables done first and, only then, have the images. Your help could have been appreciated with this, but I quickly noticed that your images (for some reason) didn't exactly match the colours of those I uploaded (usually your ones use a darker tone I think), forcing me to re-edit all of those to ensure consistency (just imagine that if another person wanted to edit one of those to have new images, the errors could spread even further). This is not much of an issue with nationwide maps of provinces, but it's very tricky for municipality maps. So I just advice you to leave the image uploading of municipality maps altogether for now (just as I did; I now only edit them to fix minor things on the existing images and the such).

However, I've seen you've been more focused in editing regional elections in Spain as of lately. Since I'm now focused in the general elections and all of the provinces (I'm nearly over now, with just a handful of districts remaining), you can maybe help by making up the results tables for those elections you wish to complete. Surely, I'll come later on to review things and fix any errors if needed, but if the tables are already done that would be a great advance. And if a specific image is really needed for some reason, you can just tell me and I'll try to have it done.

All of this process is very time consuming and may be slow, I know. But well, I think that, little by little, this is becoming much more complete and descriptive than it was only one year ago.

Cheers! Impru20 (talk) 19:49, 9 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please, hold on your edits in local election sub-articles. I can't just keep the pace of hastily fixing everything in those. I only did a couple of articles for testing, but there's just too much of this to keep constantly checking your edits... Impru20 (talk) 11:30, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, the spelling error is from the Ministry of the Interior. The template creation's is yours, since the template already existed. Impru20 (talk) 12:21, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Ok, sorry if I was a bit rude this morning, but I really got depressed at the prospect of having to fix and re-fix a potentially disproportionate amount of tables for local elections. When I did the articles for Galicia and the Valencian Community I was really just making some testing, never intended to actually put myself in full with those yet. And of course, I did not expect nobody to actually come and create other such articles. Specially in your case, since I indeed did spot quite a few errors I rushed in to fix.

So, I've checked your edits for the Balearic regional election articles, and while there're quite a few errors to be fixed, I commend you for your work at completing those. I'll take a quick look to all of those and fix the errors I may find around so the tables are fully functional. In the meantime, since I've seen that you seem to like Balearic politics, I've created these for you to complete whenever you feel it's ok (and I see you did already start editing them ;)):

Cheers! Impru20 (talk) 17:43, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Demonym translations for Spanish local elections

I typically try to stick to Option 2 whenever possible, as it is the one that looks more natural in English. In the end, you would end up having controversies with all of the other ones:

Option 3 could be used for extreme situations where Option 2 is not possible.
Options 4 and 5 have little to do with the original name (if the name uses a demonym, we ourselves using a toponym would distort the original name more than needed. This would also prove problematic in the event of two similarly-named parties from the same place, whenever one used the demonym and the other one used the toponym). However, Option 5 could be used in the event that neither Options 2 and 3 are possible, though.
Option 1 would mean having a mix of languages (which would really look awkward specially for cases where 'ñ' or 'ç' are used in the original language, as those letters do not exist in English).
In my own mental scheme, I would think of Option 2 > Option 3 > Option 5, while discarding 1 and 4. Impru20^talk 15:16, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Results breakdown of the Spanish local elections, 1979 (Balearic Islands)

Hi! While I commend you for your work at Results breakdown of the Spanish local elections, 1979 (Balearic Islands), I've reverted your last edit (which involved a rather massive addition of candidacies) out of several grounds.

While it makes sense and I think that aims for consistency with articles for subsequent elections, I think that the number of independent candidacies in 1979 (which is rather massive) make such an addition undesirable. Specially when many these candidacies are unlikely to be notable, such as these not appearing in the overall results total in the Interior Ministry webpage (which I acknowledge is somewhat messed for the 1979 and 1983 local elections) nor running in the main municipalities in the region, even when the 0.2% or 5 c. criteria would seem reasonable at first sight.
Basically, this makes the table to be too massive to be workable, as well as too chaotic when compared to other regions (such as Andalusia. Also note that 0.2% in Andalusia would not correlate equally in the Balearic Islands in terms of votes for a candidacy, so for the later a 0.2% threshold could be already too much for a table to sustain (as a candidacy would require far less votes to reach that threshold), whereas for the first one it could be not enough.
I have seen that for some of the newly added candidacies you used the colours that get used for independent candidacies that ran in those municipalities in other elections. I would be careful with that, as I'm not sure that i.e. the 1979 "Independents of Marratxí" are the same guys than the ones from 1991 onwards. I just did it for one candidacy, "Independents of Artà", and only because there seems to be some continuity with the 1979, 1983 and 1987 results (thought arguably I'm not 100% sure these are the same, either). Impru20^talk 18:28, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Do not worry, we usually don't get to know what fits best until we test it. Yes, I also found some errors in the Ministry page, but in most cases we lack any other sources since back in the day these did not get published in the BOE, so...

I agree that there should be some sort of consistency, but I have not found a fitting one as of yet. Note that I did the Balearic tables after I was done with the Andalusian and Valencian ones, but what seemed fine for these, wasn't for the Balearic ones (mostly as a result of population, as I said. 0.2% or 0.3% translates to more votes in larger regions that in smaller ones, and thus, easier to be obtained in the later ones). Possibly, we would need to work a different threshold for each region or group of regions, but this would not be too consistent. Impru20^talk 18:51, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Results breakdown of the Spanish local elections, 1983 (Balearic Islands)

The issue is that these sources do not prove CP did run alone in the 1983 local elections, since the Ministry page shows that the results you are attributing to CP correspond to PSM-PSI. Specifically, when these sources do not even cover results for local elections in San Pobla but just briefly mention the party, so CP being added in the table separately, taking for granted that it did run on its own, is more of a wild guess than an actual fact. I'm not intent on thwarting your work, but content must be verifiable. Further, if I revert you is just because the changes done are profound (affecting the table and the charts, as well as the "Others" section which requires manual re-calculation with every new change), so that it is easier for me to revert then re-add those bits that could be accurate, than just rework everything from scratch. Sorry about that if that causes issues.

Unless you can actually come up with a results website that shows that CP or others did run on their own, we can't just simply take random sources and reach conclusions not explicitly stated by any one of them. Impru20^talk 06:00, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, this is a way different thing, as this does show that PSM and CP did indeed run separately.

I'm severely concerned at the level of inaccuracy of the Ministry page for the 1983 local elections, though (and not just in the Balearic Islands, but elsewhere as well). What you provide basically shows that the Ministry website has basically fucked it up nearly everywhere: PSM results in La Pobla correspond to CP (which I guess is the candidacy shown under the INDEP label there), PSOE results correspond to PSM, and INDEP results correspond to PSOE. I'm rather puzzled as to what to do here, as this is not the only error I've spotted and it's pretty much chaotic. Impru20^talk 13:07, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Results breakdown of Spanish local elections (Balearic Islands)

Hi! I've seen you have recently made some changes to several of the "Results breakdown of [year] Spanish local elections (Balearic Islands)" articles. While I agree with some of them, I do not know what is the basis for others as sources do not reflect these. For instance, I'm not sure why did you added Union of Independents of Artà and Independents of Puigpunyent and Galilea to PSM-EN grand totals in several of these articles. ~~I can find no sources that show them within PSM-EN for local elections.~~ Ok, I find that both UIA and IPG are federated to PSM-EN ([1] [2]), though if it is like that, I do not know whether they should be shown separately within the PSM-EN bloc, or together with the specific Majorcan PSM-EN.

Also, while I agree that making calculations in overall result tables in a municipality-by-municipality basis would more more accurate (this is the stance I initially favoured until a few months ago), in the end it brings more issues than it solves (specially when it comes to calculation and comparison). While such calculations would not violate OR as per WP:MATH, I think in the end they could be interpreted as over-synthesizing beyond reasonable limits, as it would require a more deep bit of researching for verification. So far, I think it is much simpler to make calculations on a island-by-island basis at most, when such situations arise of island-wide coalitions (which is not unfrequent in the BI). Impru20^talk 15:24, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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