User talk:Tjoppich

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Hi C.Fred!

KTP is an organization I'm on the National Board for, and the Wikipedia page is mine to be in charge of updating. The information I added includes website links and Instagram for many of our chapters. All information is unbiased and accurate. Tjoppich (talk) 05:31, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for declaring your conflict of interest. It is apparent from your first two edits that you are unable to maintain the necessary neutral point of view on this subject, as one of your edits was a blatant solicitation of new members. —C.Fred (talk) 05:37, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, I don't understand. It's my job to uphold the advancement of the organization. How is informing page visitors on where to get more information a conflict of interest? Who would update our Wikipedia informational page from outside the organization if that is the only way to be "neutral"? Tjoppich (talk) 05:43, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's my job to uphold the advancement of the organization.

First, thank you for declaring not only that you have a conflict of interest, but that you are a paid editor.

Second, your statements show that you have not read Wikipedia's policies, particularly WP:COI and WP:NPOV. Your earlier comment about adding website links and Instagram links to chapters in the list is a clear violation of WP:External links. Finally, your most recent edits failed to cite any WP:Reliable sources. —C.Fred (talk) 12:21, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again C.Fred,

I'd like to clarify - I am a student and not a paid editor. My leadership position gives me the responsibility to uphold the history of our chapter, which right now is hosted on Wikipedia. I do not understand how displaying the history of the National Chapter in an unbiased fashion is not allowed. I understand that I have a conflict of interest, but nobody else is updating our page. Our page has not been edited outside of new chapters on the list since 2021. Links are outdated, information is outdated, and we have grown. If it is your job to update it, I do not understand how you can do so without knowing anything about us. Please help me understand. Tjoppich (talk) 15:32, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think you misunderstand the purpose of Wikipedia. Articles are paraphrased summaries of content previously published in reliable and independent sources. Readers expect to find neutral articles about notable topics, written independently of their subject.

An organization doesn't have any right of ownership or control over the content of a Wikipedia article about it. The article is not meant for what the organization wishes to say about itself or what it considers to be its own history. As someone with a conflict of interest, you should learn the process to make edit requests on the article's talk page. This will allow your changes to be reviewed by independent editors, who will either accept, reject or suggest revisions. This process of discussion and compromise is done with the goal of achieving consensus, which is Wikipedia's fundamental editorial model. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 22:14, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for this clarification. It sounds like Wikipedia is not going to be a place for others to receive the most accurate, up to date information about what it is hosting. I'll just leave the page as is and move to somewhere else. I appreciate this clarification as my understanding was different. Tjoppich (talk) 22:18, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For additional clarity on the policy:

Hello, Tjoppich. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Kappa Theta Pi, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for article subjects for more information. We ask that you:

avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the {{edit COI}} template)—don't forget to give details of reliable sources supporting your suggestions;
disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest § How to disclose a COI);
avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam § External link spamming);
do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicizing, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. —C.Fred (talk) 05:38, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]