User talk:Timber2012
March 2018
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{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Nick-D (talk) 09:55, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
Timber2012 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I created my first Wikipedia page and it's been blocked for advertising. "From your contributions, this seems to be your only purpose." - That was my first and only contribution, was written in a neutral tone, and I'd like to make more productive, neutral edits to other pages.
Decline reason:
Declining due to questions below not being addressed. Feel free to make a new request if you wish to answer. 331dot (talk) 19:38, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
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@Nick-D: I have looked at the deleted article, and it looks perfectly neutral to me, not at all promotional. Also, even if you saw it as advertising, an indefinite block on the basis of three edits without any warning is surely the kind of thing we normally reserve for really serious problematic editing, such as gross libel. Do you have any objection to unblocking? The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 14:10, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
- I agree with JamesBWatson; I doubt the app is notable, and creating a draft via the Article Wizard would have been better than directly creating a live article, but the page wasn't indef-block-worthy spam. (On the other hand, I don't agree with the "perfectly neutral" assessment: "allows the user", "detailed statistics" - that's the kind of language I would expect from a PR campaign, not from an encyclopedia article.) Huon (talk) 22:07, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
@Nick-D: So any chance of an unblock please? :)
Timber2012, what sorts of edits do you intend to make if unblocked? Would you also agree to not edit about the app in question? Nick-D what are your feelings on this? 331dot (talk) 08:40, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
- I've just re-reviewed the article, and still think that it's spammy. An editor who creates such an article immediately upon registration is likely to have some kind of undeclared conflict of interest. This was probably paid editing. As such, I don't intend to unblock here. If this editor provides a good rationale for wanting to be unblocked (responding to the question above about what they'd work on), I'd have no objection to another admin unblocking them though if they judge this to be worth the risk. Nick-D (talk) 09:17, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
Timber2012 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
@Nick-D: Wasn't paid to write that. As an avid skier and technology enthusiast, I just wanted to create an article about one of my favourite apps. What else would I work on?: - Improve existing articles for freestyle ski and snowboard athletes, which are often out of date, or have poor grammar. Some examples: Mikaël Kingsbury - The inconsistent capitalisation of 'World Cups'. Tom Wallisch - Poor link formatting for Tom Wallisch Pro. As it's an external link, I'd probably just remove the link and make sure the sentence is correct. Update the competition results, as there is nothing there from post-2013. Tanner Hall - Update the competition results, as there is nothing there from post-2013. Scot Schmidt - Link to appropriate articles, such as articles to places, and other athletes mentioned in the article like Greg Stump. Winter X Games IX, Winter X Games X, Winter X Games XI, Winter X Games XII, Winter X Games XIII, Winter X Games XIV, Winter X Games XV, Winter X Games XVI, Winter X Games XVII, Winter X Games XVIII, Winter X Games XIX, Winter X Games XX, Winter X Games XXI, Winter X Games XXII - these are all part of an annual series of competitions, yet don't link to each other. I plan to tidy these up, create. a new article for Winter X Games (currently falls under the general X Games umbrella and add an infobox similar to on 2018 FIFA World Cup. Subaru Freeskiing World Tour - link to appropriate athletes mentioned in the article. Not related to skiing, some other edits I'd like to make include: - 2014 FIFA World Cup - when you scroll down to the results, they should link to the Wikipedia's match reports, rather than external links at Fifa.com. This is similar to how they're linked on the 2010 FIFA World Cup article, and other earlier World Cups. I have no affiliation with FIFA. - Create an article for Fantasy Premier League, a fantasy football (association) game with over 5 million users, that I have no affiliation with. - Improve the current fantasy football (association) article by referencing facts that have been written on the article. - Create an article for Golf Clash, an app produced by Playdemic, who are part of TT Games. I have no affiliation with Golf Clash, Playdemic, or TT Games. - Create an article for Playdemic.
Decline reason:
Procedural decline only. This unblock request has been open for more than two weeks but has not proven sufficiently convincing for any reviewing administrator to take action. You are welcome to request a new block review if you substantially reword your request. Yamla (talk) 12:55, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
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Timber2012 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I would like to be unblocked, please. I joined Wikipedia, and was given an indefinite block after writing my first article because the article was deemed promotional by one administrator (Nick-D), but "perfectly neutral" (JamesBWatson) and "wasn't indef-block-worthy spam" (Huon) by other administrators. The administrator who blocked me accused me of being paid to write the article. I wasn't paid to write and had no conflict of interest with the article I created. If the article is not notable enough to be kept, I'll accept that and not try to recreate that article, but I did provide significant coverage from reliable sources independent to the subject. I'd like to make improvements to many other articles, particularly related to the subject of skiing and snowboarding.Timber2012 (talk) 15:37, 22 May 2018
Decline reason:
I've reviewed the deleted article and agree with Nick-D. It was clearly native advertising. This block was placed correctly and I would have made it myself. Also worth noting for future administrators reviewing this block, your unblock request makes it absolutely clear that this is not your first account. In all likelihood, you are a sockpuppet of an unknown previously blocked advertising account. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:42, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
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@TonyBallioni: "your unblock request makes it absolutely clear that this is not your first account. In all likelihood, you are a sockpuppet of an unknown previously blocked advertising account." - I'm not sure how you're jumping to this conclusion? This is my first account. How does requesting an unblock make it clear that it's not my first account? Surely that's what you're supposed to do when you get blocked from editing and want to make more edits. I've agreed not to create the page again if unblocked. I've stated which Wikipedia pages I would like to edit. I've been reasonable, and I really can't understand your hostility. As explained already, I had no ties to the original page; I'm simply. a skiing enthusiast, and I'd like to make more productive, neutral edits to other pages as well. Timber2012 (talk) 14:43, 26 June 2018 (UTC)}}
Timber2012 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I joined Wikipedia, and as an avid skier and technology enthusiast, created an article for a skiing app that I frequently use called Snoww. I read the Wikipedia guidelines before creating the article, tried to make it as neutral as possible and provided notable sources. However, I was blocked by Nick-D because the company was not notable enough and it read too much like an advertisement. Since then, I have requested an unlock and been rejected, but some of the points made by administrators are simply untrue:
- "likely to have some kind of undeclared conflict of interest" - Nick-D. I don't have any undeclared conflict of interest;
- "probably paid editing" - Nick-D. I wasn't paid to edit;
- "clear that this is not [my] first account" - TonyBallioni. It is my first account;
- "In all likelihood, [I am] a sockpupqet of an unknown previously blocked advertising account" - TonyBallioni. I'm not a sockpuppet of an unknown previously blocked advertising account.
Although I am not an advertising only account, I will respond specifically to the [to appealing blocks for Advertising-only accounts] as that's what I seem to have been blocked for.
I will not create the Snoww article again or make edits to it if it's created in the future.
Some edits I intend to make in the future include:
- Improve existing articles for freestyle ski and snowboard athletes, which are often out of date, or have poor grammar. Some examples:
- Tom Wallisch - Poor link formatting for Tom Wallisch Pro. As it's an external link, I'd probably just remove the link and make sure the sentence is correct. Update the competition results, as there is nothing there from post-2013.
- Subaru Freeskiing World Tour - link to appropriate athletes mentioned in the article.
- Tanner Hall - Update the competition results, as there is nothing there from post-2013.
- Scot Schmidt - Link to appropriate articles, such as articles to places (and fix weird abbreviations like 'Calif.' for 'California'. Link to other athletes mentioned in the article like Greg Stump.
- Winter X Games IX, Winter X Games X, Winter X Games XI, Winter X Games XII, Winter X Games XIII, Winter X Games XIV, Winter X Games XV, Winter X Games XVI, Winter X Games XVII, Winter X Games XVIII, Winter X Games XIX, Winter X Games XX, Winter X Games XXI, Winter X Games XXII - these are all part of an annual series of competitions, yet don't link to each other. I plan to tidy these up, create. a new article for Winter X Games (currently falls under the general X Games umbrella and add an infobox similar to on 2018 FIFA World Cup.
Not related to skiing, some other edits I'd like to make include:
- 2014 FIFA World Cup - when you scroll down to the results, they should link to the Wikipedia's match reports, rather than external links at Fifa.com. This is similar to how they're linked on the 2010 FIFA World Cup article, and other earlier World Cups. I have no affiliation with FIFA, but I am a fan of football/soccer.
- Create an article for Fantasy Premier League, a fantasy football (association) game with over 5 million users, that I have no affiliation with.
- Improve the current fantasy football (association) article by referencing facts that have been written on the article.
- Create an article for Golf Clash, an app produced by Playdemic, who are part of TT Games. I have no affiliation with Golf Clash, Playdemic, or TT Games.
- Create an article for Playdemic.
I will hold off on major edits and new article creation until I am more experienced on what looks like an advertisement or what is spammy.
Decline reason:
The webhost range that you are using is 100% UPE spammers and socks. We're done here. TPA revoked.
— Berean Hunter (talk) 16:42, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
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- You perfectly created an SEO-optimized article with linkspam and PR/churnalism sourcing and in your unblock requests show a familiarity not only with wikimarkup but with specific templates used on Wikimedia projects. Your request simply isn’t believable. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:08, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
@TonyBallioni: "[I] perfectly created an SEO-optimized article with linkspam and PR/churnalism sourcing"
"[I] perfectly created an SEO-optimized article with linkspam and PR/churnalism sourcing" - I read Wikipedia:Notability before creating the article and it said to provide reliable sources with "editorial integrity". You have argued that it is "link spam and PR/churnalism sourcing", and while I can't find out how to see the article that I had created now (as has been deleted), I definitely tried to source neutral and reliable articles, and tried to not source to link spam and PR/churnalism. The sources I had posted were certainly no more PR/churnalistic than other sources from similar articles that I looked at.
"[my] unblock requests show a familiarity not only with wikimarkup but with specific templates used on Wikimedia projects" - while I've never edited Wikipedia in the past, I've used Wikipedia as a resource for 10+ years, so I am familiar with templates on other projects. For the article I created, I did copy the template of an article for a similar company rather than try to reinvent the wheel and create my own random template, which I'm sure would have got me banned as well. As for Wikimarkup, before making the article, I made sure I familiarised myself with it as it's the language used to write Wikipedia articles, which was what I was doing. But it's just simple code, is not difficult to learn how to read or write, and I'd expect most new users would familiarise themselves with it at a basic level like myself.
I'd like to reiterate that I have no ties to the article I created. I completely understand that administrators would like to make Wikipedia free from any spam and unnecessary, un-notable articles being created and I appreciate the work that you do to make Wikipedia the great resource that it is. But as a skiing and technology enthusiast, my article creation was a genuine attempt to improve Wikipedia.
I'm brand new to the community and still learning the ropes, and while I undoubtably took on a big project as my first one, I definitely feel that I'm not worthy of a permanent ban. If unblocked, I will hold off on major edits and new article creation until I am more experienced on what looks like an advertisement or what is spammy. Some of the work I'd like to undertake has been outlined in my unblock request. (talk) 17:00, 9 July 2018 (UTC)}}