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Your contributed article, Notable former players

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Hi, in this case I'd suggest that you think about creating a larger article to reduce the history section down, the notable former players section would logically form part of that. Valenciano (talk) 11:17, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

No, it's alright, it stays like this. The portuguese article is much more complete, it would be very tedious to translate them.--Threeohsix (talk) 11:20, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

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SL Benfica archery section

I apologise for the delay — I just moved house, and my new residence has no Internet access, so I can only get online occasionally. What do you want me to do: remove the archery section from the main article, get rid of the specific article on archery, or do something else? Or do you simply want advice? Please be more specific, because I don't yet know how to help you, especially since I've never seen these articles before. Nyttend (talk) 23:40, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

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2012-13 Benfica season

Do you have the time to do extensive work? It needs a lot of work. Even for the early stage that the season is in. Kingjeff (talk) 23:40, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

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Portuguese Rugby Cup

Done; I simply redirected it. I'm happy to help, but if you want faster help, you can always mark your own new creations with {{db-g7}} and they'll be deleted (or otherwise taken care of) by the first admin who comes along. Nyttend (talk) 18:04, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

2012–13 S.L. Benfica season squad

Any player in the squad since the first competitive match shouldn't be removed. Maybe a naew part of the template that states "No longer at the club" or something along those lines. Kingjeff (talk) 00:28, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

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Djaniny

Olá compatriota, tudo bem? como fizeste neste jogador, por favor atenção a três coisas: 1 - se o clube é demasiado modesto e não tem artigo na WP, for favor não pôr o "link" da vila ou da cidade como fizeste, não tem nada a ver, deixa-se a vermelho ou até sem "link", VELENSE é uma coisa, a povoação de VELAS é outra;

2 - não é preciso escrever outra vez o "link" Primeira Liga (ou outro qualquer artigo da WP) quando já se falou disso anteriormente, isso chama-se "overlinking";

3 - pouco importante mas também dou a dica: por favor, os nomes dos clubes são escritos totalmente na história/intro (ex. S.C. Olhanense, S.C. Braga, etc), a compressão (Olhanense, Braga, Porto, etc) é na caixa somente.

Atentamente, bom trabalho e boa semana - --AL (talk) 14:04, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

• Mais: bom trabalho no U.D. Leiria, ficou muito melhor! Mas, porque é que retiraste no "box" as informações referentes a 2011-12? É para ficar meu caro, diz-se em que divisão o clube está na temporada corrente e como ficou na transacta. No que diz respeito às referências, os títulos têm que ser transcritos na sua totalidade, palavra por palavra.

Até mais! --AL (talk) 14:34, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

• Sem resposta? OK, mas acho que fui educado. --AL (talk) 18:41, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

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Benfica articles

Parabéns pela iniciativa, muito bem estruturada. Só uns pequenos apartes: não uses letras em maiúsculas no início de cada palavra ou então usa isto "Results in European competitions"; se conseguires adicionar resultados europeus desde os anos 50 (o Benfica participa em competições de basquete europeias desde essa década) seria muito bom. Para finalizar, se conseguires descobrir em que pavilhões jogou ao longo da história, então altera a secção que eu adicionei "Home arenas", não tenho a certeza quanto ao ano em que usou o primeiro pavilhão que está nessa secção (Pavilhão dos Desportos), nem em que pavilhões jogou antes. Passei muito tempo em editar a pagina de basquete, seria óptimo se pudesses adicionar a maior quantidade de informação que tiveres disponível, depois tratamos da "estética" da página. De novo, um aplauso pelas tuas contribuições, apesar de não ter tanto tempo livre como tinha anteriormente, tentarei ajudar-te no que puder. Responde na minha talk page. Tibullus ^{call me} 15:53, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

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Portuguese footballers

FYI... Portuguese names are different than Spanish names. Portuguese names are sorted on the last surname. Cesar Andre Costa Dias is sorted {{DEFAULTSORT:Dias, Cesar Andre Costa}}. Bgwhite (talk) 04:34, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

• But both SPA and POR footballers (and sometimes BRAZILIANS) have a different approach than all the other nations. In some cases they are known by first name and not by any surname. So, for example, Jacobo Sanz Ovejero will be ordered in the letter "J", as he is known as JACOBO. Oceano da Cruz is known as OCEANO, goes in the letter "O", not "C" or "D". --AL (talk) 00:09, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Rugby in Portugal

Hello, have you found sources for your edits of Portuguese Rugby Cup, Taça de Portugal de Rugby Feminino and Campeonato Nacional de Rugby Feminino on official website of Portuguese Rugby Federation? Miodzio3 (talk) 10:59, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

About the Rugby Cup it's copied from the portuguese version, but the rest is there in the website.

André Gomes - Referências

Ola THREE, AL por aqui,

como vi neste jogador, por favor, no capítulo das referências #1 e #5 (antes de eu lá ter ido era a #4): o título do artigo tirado da net tem que ser copiado correctamente, e não escrever uma coisa completamente diferente. Outro tanto dito da tradução.

Também aproveito, para o caso de não saberes: o Gomes marcou ontem contra o S.C. Freamunde para a Taça, na sua estreia (não lhe vai servir de nada, é português, e não é nada contra o Benfica, o Porto, Sporting, Nacional, etc, são iguaizinhos!). No entanto, isso não aparece na caixa com as estatísticas porque aí só se metem os números nas ligas - por isso, ainda está 0/0.

Obrigado pela atenção, bom fim de semana - --AL (talk) 00:09, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Às vezes as traduções podem variar. Obrigado por corrigires. Estou familiarizado com isso, dos golos só contarem para Liga.

• Ah sim pois, tens razão, a tradução pode ser mais ou menos livre, mas não o título do artigo. Tchau! --AL (talk) 11:59, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

• E uma coisita só para veres como isto dos estrangeiros está completamente descontrolado. No teu clube (suponho que sejas do Benfica pelas tuas edições, eu não tenho, nunca tive nem é agora que vou começar com esta pouca-vergonha, até o Rio Ave F.C. já joga com dois ou três portugueses, já para não falar dos "habituais"), o senhor Jorge Jesus faz o seguinte: o Miguel Vítor está sempre na equipa A, mas não toca na chicha, dá-se a suspensão do Luisão ou há Taça, jogam o Jardel ou o Sidnei que estavam nas reservas, mas há lá quem compreenda isto?

Tirando o caso do Pedro León com o José Mourinho, há muito que não via um jogador ser desprezado assim. E repito, não tenho clube, nada me move em particular contra o Benfica. Cumprimentos - --AL (talk) 13:58, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

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Thank You I understand you are a fan and Benfica is a Great club, we have absolutely nothing but great things to say about the support from the fans as well as the Benfica family. I am just doing my job to protect my husband and family . We both are grateful that you are understanding enough to keep that story off of this page. We enjoyed being in Portugal and if the opportunity permits ,he would love to come back and play for Benfica someday. Thank you again and I do apologize if you were offended, as I said before I'm just defending my husband and the truth behind this story . Thank you and Best wishes to you Ajaleone (talk) 23:09, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

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Referências

Olá compatriota,

um favor, nas referências, o "publisher" não é o endereço inteiro da página da internet (ex. www.goal.com), é só o sítio/jornal/etc (ex. Goal.com, ou Goal.com se por acaso já existir numa referência mais acima no texto).

Obrigado de antemão, boa semana - --AL (talk) 02:15, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

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Jorge Jesus

Tive que fazer muitas alterações às tuas edições, e passo a explicar: este artigo é sobre o Jesus, não sobre os jogadores, por isso, temos que limitar as referências a outrem (por exemplo, o Pablo Aimar estava referenciado cinco ou seis vezes). Em termos tácticos, se pusermos a referência do ZONALMARKING.NET ("The most attractive side in Europe"?) como tu muito bem puseste isso chega, se o leitor quiser saber mais é só clicar.

Uma alternativa onde podes pôr mesmo tudo (ou quase tudo) o que puseste no artigo do treinador, é inserir as coisas: 1 - no artigo do clube; 2 - melhor ainda, nos vários artigos de temporada que o clube tem aqui (ex. 2010–11 S.L. Benfica season, 2011–12 S.L. Benfica season, assim por diante). Estive agora mesmo a ver, e o que é que lá está escrito? NADA, e aí é que deve estar segundo os padrões da WP, onde se detalham os vários esquemas tácticos e os títulos ganhos.

Em relação à nova secção PERSONAL, os meus parabéns, ficou bom. Atentamente (se não responderes mais uma vez não me importo, conquanto a mensagem tenha passado) --AL (talk) 00:39, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

• Depois do insulto quando eu só queria ajudar (e dizer que estava a fazer aplicar as regras da WP - polícia?!) ainda volto a ser simpático, com isto: uma vez que quase só temos referências em Português para jogadores/treinadores portugueses, deixo-te esta página, em inglês (ver aqui http://portugoal.net/index.php), tem muitos relatórios e análises do nosso futebol. E agora "Toca a fazer isto e aquilo"? Não devo estar a ouvir bem, com certeza, vou ajudar e vou colocar as cenas nos artigos de temporada, mas o Ferguson? --AL (talk) 00:56, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

• Já fiz a primeira parte do pedido, podes conferir com os dois exemplos de temporadas que dei aqui, é só clicar. Tive o cuidado de escrever no sumário que NÃO FUI EU que escrevi aqueles textos mas TU, não quero méritos por algo que não fiz. Apesar de estar cheio de "redirects" e "overlinkings", ficou como estava, não alterei uma palavra.

Mensagens? Fica descansado, nem mais uma vez incomodo, uma pessoa quer ajudar (sim, peço desculpa de ter removido o teu trabalho, sei que deu trabalho - ah, e neste caso nem fica destruído, foi mudado de sítio) e é insultada ("Polícia do WP" não é um "mimo"). Adeus e boa vida (e não estou a ser irónico, são os meus votos)... --AL (talk) 01:19, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

• Peço desculpa por voltar, só para dizer o seguinte: vi o artigo do Ferguson e: 1 - não se alongou em tácticas quase nada, falou mais de jogos e resultados; 2 - fala do mesmo jogador uma ou duas vezes (daí a minha observação ao excesso com o Aimar da tua parte). Claro que o artigo é enorme, estamos a falar de um homem que treina há quase 50 anos. Se fosse por mim, seria mais pequeno também, mas eu nunca lá editei, contribuo (ou estrago/policio, depende da opinião) no futebol português e espanhol e já chega para ocupar o meu tempo.

Agora sim, calo-me. Gostava até que trabalhássemos juntos num ou noutro artigo, mas já vi que não estás para aí virado (e por favor não digas que me estou a fazer de vítima ou parecido, eu fui educado e levei com o "polícia"). E caso tenhas também essa dúvida, NADA me move contra Jesus ou o Benfica, não tenho clube. Adeus --AL (talk) 02:11, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

• Palavras neutrais: outro utilizador (e administrador), após convite meu, analisou ambas as versões do artigo e disse que a minha estava mais de acordo com os padrões do sítio. Não estou a inventar, podes ver a minha página e ler a mensagem se faz favor --AL (talk) 16:14, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Caixas de jogadores

Vi algumas caixas de futebolistas que criaste ultimamente. Não sei se sabias, mas os dados lá são só para jogos de campeonato, não contam as várias taças domésticas e europeias. Depois, podemos escrever na história quantos jogos o jogador fez oficialmente. Ver exemplo do Jaime Graça para mais esclarecimentos.

É para ajudar, não é para policiar. Eu também não sabia isso quando comecei, e ainda não sei muitas outras coisas do "site". Atentamente - --AL (talk) 21:43, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

• E para acabar (e deves-me achar um pouco falso, disse que nunca mais te chateava e continuo a escrever, mas é que gosto mesmo de acabar a bem, sem más-ondas e afins): estive a ler melhor a tua segunda mensagem. Não foi tão agressiva como a primeira, valha-nos isso. Concordo completamente contigo que o texto actual não descreve ao detalhe todo o trabalho exaustivo do Jesus, mas é que isto é uma enciclopédia, não um sítio/blogue sobre futebol (o tema neste caso), temos que nos cingir ao essencial. Como viste, fui pedir uma segunda opinião, e JURO que estava pronto a que, se ele dissesse "Não senhor AL, a versão do TOS é melhor do que a tua", eu ia reverter tudo e pôr a tua "escrita". Viste a resposta dele, um administrador. Mas não percebi o teu comentário que dá a entender que eu, como sou "reviewer", não sou um utilizador que "cria artigos e perde imenso tempo trabalhando artigos na sandbox": a primeira parte é falsa, já criei uns quantos artigos do zero e trabalhei neles QB; a segunda, confesso que não sei o que é a "sandbox" e para que serve, nunca usei aqui.

E, não penso que sirva de consolo entre outras coisas porque não fizeste um comentário ao respeito, apenas me (quase) ordenaste que pusesse os textos nos artigos de temporada: o teu trabalho não foi APAGADO, foi RECOLOCADO, palavra por palavra. Agora sim não me imponho mais, só voltarei a entrar em contacto contigo caso precises de ajuda com alguma coisa (já te enviei o site PORTUGOAL.NET, não sei se já conhecias, também aí o silêncio foi total) e me contactes primeiro, serás bemvindo à minha página. --AL (talk) 01:17, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

• Volto mas agora é para pedir ajuda, se não for muito incómodo: sabes alguma coisa sobre a carreira do Manuel Bento, um dos grandes do nosso futebol (ou seja, os anos da mesma)? É que, salvo a sua estadia no Benfica, nenhum dos "sites" se põe de acordo, o ZEROZERO.PT diz uma coisa, o FORADEJOGO.NET outra, e até a referência que adicionei ontem, o VEDETAOUMARRETA, outra diferente. A sua caixa aqui não pode estar totalmente correcta, não me parece que ele fosse júnior do Sporting Clube de Portugal com 21 anos.

Obrigado de antemão com o que possas acrescentar --AL (talk) 18:14, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

1. Já sei que é jogos do campeonato, não sabia os jogos que fez para o campeonato, nessas situações prefiro meter o valor total que existe. Sempre dá uma perspectiva da sua importância.

2. Não sou dono do artigo, mas continuo a defender que não se pode apagar extensas partes sem discutir pelo menos na talk page primeiro, andas cá a tanto tempo e devias saber. Só edito regularmente a uns 5 meses e já me cruzei algumas vezes contigo em edições de artigos, mas já sei para não o voltar a fazer, a tua superioridade capacidade linguistica e extremo conhecimento do que deve estar nos artigos é assustadora.

3. Não faço ideia da carreira do Bento, confiava no vedetaemarreta, o zerozero e forajogo não são 100% fiáveis.--Threeohsix (talk) 21:53, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

• Obrigado pela resposta. Concordo contigo numa coisa, devia seguir mais o "talkpage" dos artigos, segundo os padrões da WP. Não percebo o "a tua superioridade capacidade linguistica e extremo conhecimento do que deve estar nos artigos é assustadora". Acho que é mais um insulto disfarçado, e o "mas já sei para não o voltar a fazer" deixa-me descoroçoado (e agora é a minha vez de dizer os artigos não são meus, podes editar onde eu edito), mas cá continuamos...Tive o cuidado de falar com um ADMINISTRADOR sobre o caso do Jesus, ele responde que a minha versão está mais de acordo com os padrões da WP, e eu é que sou o "superior", o polícia" e o "assustador". Como pessoa interessada na lei, como diz(ia) a tua página de utilizador, não percebo a tua dúvida/reacção, eu explico-te as LEIS da WP e levo por tabela? Já agora, se pudesses responder, gostava de saber em que outros artigos te cruzaste comigo e eu menosprezei as tuas contribuições, para poder analisar e, obviamente, pedir desculpas se for caso disso.

Agora sim (a sério), última mensagem ao meu caro a não ser que entres em contacto comigo primeiro por qualquer motivo. Podes mesmo fazer queixa minha na WP se eu faltar à minha palavra, por perseguição ou similar. E vou seguir a tua dica, vou seguir os anos do VOM para o artigo do Bento. --AL (talk) 03:50, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

• Disse que era a última caso tudo corresse pelo normal. Pelo que vejo não, fizeste uma EXCELENTE adição no artigo do David Simão, que não tem nada que alterar, mas não resististe a mandar-me uma farpa e a chamar-me (nas entrelinhas) polícia. Obviamente não vou alterar nada no artigo deste jogador porque não tem nada que alterar. Ah, e também fui mencionado aqui, apesar de lá NUNCA ter editado! Estive agora a passar os olhos pelas tuas contribuições desde que entraste, e só coincidimos de maneira consistente no artigo do Jesus, mas o que vem a ser isto? Ainda por cima, mais acima nesta mesma página, dizes que não tens intenção de te cruzar comigo em mais nenhum artigo ("...já me cruzei algumas vezes contigo em edições de artigos, mas já sei para não o voltar a fazer..."), depois editas dois artigos hoje e mandas-me indirectas nos sumários, num dos casos num artigo que nunca editei nem faço intenção de o fazer (o gajo coreano)?

E resposta à minha última mensagem nada (perguntei se havia mais alguma contribuição tua que eu tivesse menosprezado, por exemplo), "obrigado". Queres ignorar-me apesar de eu estar a tentar construir uma ponte, força com isso, mas espero que tenha sido a primeira e a última vez que eu sou mencionado nos teus sumários se me fizeres o favor (muito menos com o nome verdadeiro) --AL (talk) 17:36, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

• E já fui pedir mediação, para ver se esta situação se resolve (ou "queixinhas", como quiseres). Não quero ninguém bloqueado nem nada parecido (eu até já fui bloqueado o ano passado, por "alimentar os vândalos" nos sumários), agora interpreta como quiseres. Digo que estou pronto a pedir desculpas se procedi mal contigo em alguma ocasião, agora isto é que está a ficar um bocadinho "mau" (por exemplo o recadinho no Suk Hyun-Jun era bastante provável que eu nunca o tivesse visto, se não visse as tuas contribuições para ver se tinhas respondido à mensagem), posso ter sido um pouco chato por vezes, mas sempre educado e nunca gozei contigo! --AL (talk) 18:16, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Isto já parece o uma conversa de messenger, ainda bem que o admnistrador prefere a tua edição, temos que mostrar o melhor possivel nos artigos, viste me lá a ir apagar o que fizeste? Eu não faço isso.

Tens que te acalmar (tinha quase a certeza que andas a ver o que faço, por isso escrevi isso para confirmar), não disse nada provocativo para ti, parece-me que se actuares assim em coisas tão pequenas como estas, desgastas-te muito. Nem entendo a necessidade de chamar administradores, gastas o tempo dele e não ganhas nada. Basta percorrer as minhas edições (espero que tenhas gostado) para ver que sou um editor exemplar. O cubo de gelo gigante rapidamente o verificava.

Não posso responder a todos os momentos. Isto é um hobby.--Threeohsix (talk) 19:47, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

• Claro que sei que és um editor bastante positivo, nunca pensei outra coisa. E, volto a frisar, chamei o administrador porque não estava a perceber o rumo que isto estava a tomar, pensei que uma terceira opinião ajudasse a esclarecer o tema um pouco mais. Para acabar a "análise", volto a concordar contigo, a maioria das pessoas têm vidas fora da WP e só respondem/editam quando podem, não têm culpa que eu não tenha. Podes-me só esclarecer a dúvida por favor: o que é um "cubo de gelo" neste contexto?

P.S. Ah, e claro que enquanto a nossa "altercação" durava, eu ia sempre ver as tuas contribuições, para ver se tinhas respondido uma vez que escolheste responder na tua página, não era para "andar a ver o que o outro anda a fazer", só faço isso com vândalos (persegui-los, denunciá-los e fazer com que sejam bloqueados).

Com os melhores cumprimentos, uma boa semana --AL (talk) 19:54, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Falava do Snowman. Não te deixes distrair, o trabalho de um editor nunca pará. Continua o teu trabalho, já te disse que é necessário. Cumprimentos, boa semana.--Threeohsix (talk) 21:13, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

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• Let's discuss this politely please. If you don't want to reply to me OK, that's your right, but please reply to Mr.Snowman so i know what to expect, and please stop mentioning ME in your summaries. --AL (talk) 18:47, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

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Filip Đuričić - Resposta

Olá TOS, AL "por aqui",

obrigado por confiares em mim para tirar a dúvida, que desde já faço com todo o agrado. Tens que esperar pela confirmação oficial. Caso já haja (eu até pensava que o contracto já tinha sido assinado), é essa referência que tens que utilizar. Ah, e se eu parecia um pouco chatinho, este User:Oleola nem te digo ;)

Atentamente, se tiveres mais perguntas venham elas - --AL (talk) 15:42, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

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Dicas, outros

Olá caro T.O.S, como vai isso? Espero que bem,

bom trabalho no Jorge Jesus. Eu, só dei uma alteração no formato, a saber: removi o OVERLINKING (depois de se fazer o "link" no texto - Taça de Portugal, Vitória de Guimarães, etc - já não se faz mais), ajeitei as referências (expliquei-te o ano passado que não era preciso meter o endereço todo do "site" no PUBLISHER (ou WORK, tanto faz), esqueceste-te, acontece aos melhores) e substituí os traços nos resultados dos jogos.

A ÚNICA alteração que fiz ao teu texto foi substituir a palavra "embaraçosa" por "inesperada". Como podes ver no meu sumário, não é uma palavra enciclopédica, pois, aqui no WP, cai dentro do espectro daquilo a que se chama POV ("point of view"). Não duvido que benfiquistas (ou portistas, ou sportinguistas de outros tempos) se tenham sentido assim, no entanto, só enquadrei mais "a coisa" no aspecto enciclopédico.

Espero que não me leves a mal OUTRA VEZ e me chames polícia, quanto eu só fiz o seguinte: 1 - compus o que tu muito bem iniciaste; 2 - te felicito pelo teu trabalho e empenho no melhoramento dos artigos do teu (nosso) agrado ou preferência.

Saudações desportivas e não só - --AL (talk) 19:03, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Está bom vasco, só adicionei aquilo porque é preciso lá estar, afinal ele tem responsabilidade na época, mesmo que negativamente. Obrigado pela ajuda, sou um amador comparado contigo, só dou uns toques nalguns artigos, tu editas em massa, tens mais experiência e talvez paciência para isto. Só lamento sermos tão poucos, porque há tanto para fazer. Continua o teu trabalho, é de pessoas como tu que a wikipédia cresce cada vez mais. Saudações desportivas.--Threeohsix (talk) 20:03, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Obrigado pelas palavras. Parece que o homem fica mais duas épocas, tentei ir à página oficial do Benfica para arranjar a referência da renovação, ainda "nada feito". --AL (talk) 22:09, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

"Benfiquices" - Reply

Olá meu caro,

realmente é verdade, passo-me sem ser necessário tal muitas vezes, não (me) percebo. O Jorge Jesus começa bem esta época, agora são sérvios, TRÊS (!!) numa semana, não percebo este senhor, ainda me lembro da cara dele enojado com uma pergunta de um jornalista e responder "Até parece que é obrigatório jogar com jogadores portugueses". Realmente obrigatório não é...

Em relação ao teu pedido (Suleimani), vou ver o que posso fazer, se for muito grande não prometo nada, mas prometo deixar uma nota no WP:FOOTY a dizer que o artigo precisa de "cleanup".

Votos de um bom fim de semana --AL (talk) 20:35, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

• Ah, e repito (caso te tenhas esquecido do que eu te escrevi o ano passado), nada me move contra o Benfica e acho o Vítor Pereira igualzinho ou pior (acho que o Porto foi, em 2012-13, a equipa com menos jogadores nacionais no MUNDO no que respeita à totalidade do plantel, três), só me parece aberrante (para não dizer palavrões) uma equipa a jogar sem um jogador nacional, seja o Benfica, o Liverpool ou o campeão do Uzbequistão. Tchau! --AL (talk) 20:45, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Obrigado pela atenção com o Sulejmani. Pois, isto já foi armada brasileira, armada argentina, agora é a armada sérvia, talvez quando o dinheiro acabar volte a armada portuguesa. è um ciclo.--Threeohsix (talk) 20:49, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

• Estou a tratar do tema agora, não edites lá hoje (ainda faço mais à noite) para não haver o que aqui se chama de "edit conflict" - se fizermos os dois "gravar" ao mesmo tempo...chapéu! Pois é, agora é que ia tendo um esgotamento nervoso, simplesmente horrível o artigo (foi escrito por um amigo ou a namorada?)! Ah, e tenho que corrigir-me em relação às contratações sérvias do teu clube, obviamente que não foram os três nesta última semana, foi só o Markovic, os outros já têm meses, mas sirva para dizer "Senhor Jesus BASTA".

Espero que gostes da limpeza no artigo que pediste, dei o meu melhor. --AL (talk) 16:30, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

• Não devia ter escrito já a mensagem, pois induzi-te em erro, desculpa. Estou a editar AGORA, faço mais um pouco depois do jantar. --AL (talk) 16:41, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Que trabalheira! Já só falta a secção BENFICA e o INT.CAREER. Vou também pedir a um utilizador holandês com quem me dou muito bem, User:Drmies, que me arranje algumas referências nesse idioma. --AL (talk) 17:13, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

• Já fiz a minha parte, agora só falta falar com o tipo referido em cima. Bom fim de semana. --AL (talk) 19:08, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

• Acabou, se tiveres mais "trabalhinhos" para o amigo, avisa! --AL (talk) 03:11, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Benfica

As tuas páginas estão muito boas, digo-te isto com toda a sinceridade. Eu sugiro-te que trabalhes comigo na página da época que irá começar e depois de a termos dado alguma estética, podíamos tentar modificar as restantes. O que me dizes? Responde na minha página, se faz favor. Saudações. Tibullus (talk) 20:59, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Sim, ainda tem pouco a dizer. Mas se já tratarmos de tudo, então iremos ter menos trabalho à medida que a época avança. A tabela com os jogadores actuais do plantel poderia ser mudada, similar às tabelas que eu inseri na secção das transferências. Para isso preciso de informação sobre o preço dos jogadores aquando assinaram pelo Benfica, em que época de transferências ocorreu isso (mercado de verão ou inverno), e finalmente se têm alguma nacionalidade da UE (e qual). Como poderás ver essa informação falta em alguns jogadores nas tabelas novas que eu coloquei, pois não sei se os sérvios têm a nacionalidade holandesa já que jogaram tantos anos lá. Se conseguisses essas informações, eu trato do resto. Deixavas uma mensagem na minha página e eu começaria no imediato. O que achas? Tibullus (talk) 21:13, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Só precisavas de me dar a informação, mas obrigado. Já fizeste praticamente tudo, não posso alterar grande coisa, mas vou ver o que ainda se inclui. Penso que esta página está a ficar muito bem conseguida. Sabes a informação destes: GK - Mika, Júlio Cesar, Oblak. DF - Sidnei, Jardel. MF - Urreta, Nolito. FW - Rodrigo Mora, Yannick Djaló, Nélson Oliveira, Alan Kardec? Têm que ser incluídos já que jogaram pela equipa principal do Benfica e no caso do Mika e Oblak assinaram para jogar na equipa A. Abraços. Tibullus (talk) 22:36, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Podes enviar-me o link? Se o Urreta e assim saírem, a gente simplesmente altera a tabela. Infelizmente esse fórum não aparenta aceitar com bons olhos membros novos. Obrigado. Tibullus (talk) 23:22, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Ok, acho que já está tudo. Não adicionei os que nunca jogaram pela equipa principal (incluindo Mika e Oblak). Dá uma olhadela e diz-me o que achas. Não tenho a certeza se o Mora e o Jara regressam a 1 de Julho, mas penso que sim. Se conseguires confirmar essa informação eu mudava a data conforme o que se soubesse. Tibullus (talk) 01:39, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Sim, já tinha colocado que o Airton regressava no mercado de inverno. Por acaso sabes quem são os vice-capitães? P.S.: Houve um mexicano que jogou no Benfica, Kikin Fonseca. Acho que não o vi na lista de jogadores, mas também não sei se chegou a fazer jogos. Abraço Tibullus (talk) 18:17, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Ah, exacto. Não tinha a certeza se ele tinha feito 25 jogos. O empréstimo do Airton foi acordado na época 2012–13, daí não o ter adicionado na tabela de jogadores 'loan out'. Se ele for adicionado a alguma tabela, tem que ser na época passada. Se durante a época 2013–14 for avançado novo empréstimo, então adiciona-se o Airton. É bom saber que não estou sozinho na tarefa de preservar a história do clube aqui. Gostaria de ter trabalhado contigo há uns tempos atrás quando estava com mais dinâmica de trabalho, fiz muita coisa sozinho e gostava que soubesses de que se precisares de alguma coisa, conta comigo. Tibullus (talk) 01:26, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Muito bom, isto está a ficar um projecto interessante e bastante completo. Uma sugestão, conseguirias adicionar os jogos amigáveis também? É o único que falta para as páginas englobarem tudo o que há para ser englobado. Abraço. Tibullus (talk) 15:23, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Quando chegar o fim da próxima semana, já passarei a estar mais activo. Agora tenho tido exames e mal os acabe vou ajudar-te no que necessitares. Os amigáveis a meio ou ao fim da época são muitos? Acho que deveriam ser adicionados, pelos menos os que se conseguissem encontrar. Abraços Tibullus (talk) 23:08, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

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Não percebi...

Ajudei-te com todo o gosto no Miralem Sulejmani, a que se deveram mais bocas na minha direcção (ver o teu sumário no David Simão)? Acho que não estou a fazer confusão meu caro, ou estou?

Boa semana - --AL (talk) 21:16, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

• OK então, sem problemas, se é um mal-entendido as minhas desculpas. Bom trabalho para ti também. Como já disse ao nosso compatriota User:Scofield 20, benfiquista como tu (eu reitero pela enésima vez caso hajam dúvidas, não tenho), fiquei de boca aberta quando soube dos irmãos do Matic e Markovic, isto agora é aos pacotes, já nem tenho palavras para o Sr.Jesus... --AL (talk) 22:12, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

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Pedido

Meu caro TOS, AL por aqui,

vou pedir pela ÚLTIMA vez, se não der não dá, era só para facilitar o meu trabalho se pudesse ser. Como vi no Sidnei (footballer born 1989) e no Pizzi (Portuguese footballer), será que podes pôr o título correcto nas referências e não outra coisa diferente? É que ainda podemos ter alguma liberdade (não muita) na tradução, agora no título original não meu caro.

Obrigado de antemão, saudações --AL (talk) 22:51, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

• Happens to the best. --AL (talk) 18:07, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

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1977 Taça de Portugal Final

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I have just recently found the kits for the page 1977 Taça de Portugal Final. I normally ask another user to do it, but he is very busy of late. Is it possible to create these kits for the article I created

Braga

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Porto

• [6]

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Ajuda

Olá compatriota, tudo bem?

Lendo esta mensagem (ver aqui https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:BenficaNNossaPaixao#Ivan_Manuel_Amorim_dos_Santos, o nosso outro "tuga" a quem a enviei deve estar no "wiki-descanso", já não edita há mais de um mês), podes fazer com que se faça luz sobre o referido artigo? A WP agradecia.

Obrigado de antemão, votos de uma boa semana --AL (talk) 20:00, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

• Muito obrigado pela prontidão e simpatia. Eu cá também não sei porque é que passo tanto tempo aqui, ainda por cima é quase impossível todos trabalharem MESMO em equipa, já para não falar dos imbecis dos vândalos.

Saudações sinceras --AL (talk) 21:39, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

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Undo my revert when it's official by any of the clubs (or both). Fixed4u (talk) 17:49, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

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Do you have any idea of when Benfica Juniors team was founded? I only know it was between 1938 (first Campeonato Nacional de Juniores) and 1943 (first Benfica Juniors title). 85.240.133.215 (talk) 22:09, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

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Does Léo Kanu still play for Náutico? 85.240.133.215 (talk) 20:47, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

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There is 3 players from Benfica B without article, they are Theirry Graça, Sérgio "Serginho" Neves and Jota. I don't know if they are notable. SLBedit (talk) 08:59, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

• Hi there TOS, this is former user Always Learning. Please read this message i have sent to a fellow user (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SLBedit#Luis_Filipe). I think you will agree with me that i never edited any Benfica-related article with wrong intentions, i always tried to improve the players/coaches articles (and NEVER edited in the club's page in eight years). Articles like Steven Vitória, Rúben Amorim, the late Mário Coluna or Ivan Cavaleiro were greatly improved by me without one negative word, but like you told the other user we must try to be as impartial as we can, i ALWAYS did that.

Last month, after a run-in regarding honours in players' articles being referenced or not (several WP:FOOTY discussions have said that we MUST reference all honours in the pertinent section, i'm not making this up), i was insulted and accused of being a Benfica hater even though i support no club at all (please see more details if you want here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:188.81.115.107). Thinking it was too much, i asked that my account be destroyed, and now do only one or two edits per week, and stopped editing in Benfica-related articles anymore because i don't want to be accused of anything anymore.

Like i told the other user, i apologize if my actions were misjudged and hurt him in any way, but now noone will have to deal with me anymore because i am 99,9999999999999999999% retired. Atenciosamente ("Attentively"), cumprimentos ("regards") --84.90.219.128 (talk) 21:48, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Oops, did not keep my promise because i went to Mr. Coluna's article and the totals in box were wrong (some anon user added all competitions, the box is only for Primeira Liga as you know). --84.90.219.128 (talk) 22:14, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

S.L. Benfica

From the club Statutes (in English):

Article 17
Members rights
c) To participate in the general assemblies, submit proposals, take part in discussions and vote;

SLBedit (talk) 13:58, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

If something is incorrect fix it. SLBedit (talk) 14:56, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

It's not that hard: members = club; stockholders = S.A.D. You are the one mixing stuff. SLBedit (talk) 15:03, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

You wrote "The SAD is a public limited company, so only stockholders (=shareholders) vote in their general assemblies." In the club's General Assemblies? "You would know because only the SAD publishes public Financial reports at CMVM, the club only publishes it to is "sócios", its where the futsal and other sports are located, and their accounts." Yes... "The club owns 40% of the SAD by the way, so its the majority shareholder (=stockholder)." Explain the other 60%. :) SLBedit (talk) 17:30, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

2013–14 S.L. Benfica season

I think you are wrong, for example, squad boxes in 2014–15 Real Madrid C.F. season and 2014–15 FC Barcelona season are updated. SLBedit (talk) 17:28, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

We can ask about it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. I have time and patience to update both boxes of recent seasons. About older seasons, yes it's time consuming but also harder to add information about them. I would rather create stubs for the missing seasons, specially the 1960s, and from there expand one by one. SLBedit (talk) 17:53, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Salvio

12 matches in 2013-14 Primeira Liga, according to zerozero. SLBedit (talk) 22:06, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

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S.L. Benfica (futsal)

I am unsure if Taça de Honra AFL is the same trophy as Taça da AF Lisboa.

Regional competitions
Lisbon Championship
Winners (5): 2004–05, 2005–06, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2009–10
Lisbon Honour Cup
Winners (10): 2004–05, 2005–06, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11, 2011–12, 2012–13, 2014–15

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Does it mean it was the first Taça da Honra won by female team?

I saved the text to a file. :) SLBedit (talk) 17:46, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Khalil Chemmam

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Category

Hi there TOS,

The category you proposed to SLBEdit, "S.L. Benfica players", is 100% valid. However, when you (or another editor, whoever gets the job done first) insert it, please insert in the correct order, not at the bottom. I tried to arrange several Atlético CP players in the proper order, but did not get them all.

Example: if Benfica B is the eighth club a player has represented, please insert it as the eighth club in the category order. Categories should have this order of presentation: first personal categories (birth, "people from...", "people of...descent", etc), then "Portuguese (or another country) footballers", the player's position, "Primeira Liga players" (or another competition from another country, followed by the other divisions the player has competed in), the national clubs, the foreign clubs and competitions, the international categories (youth international footballers, under-21, A), the international competitions they appeared in (if any), the expatriate categories finally. If a player becomes a manager, then the manager categories to end it.

Attentively, happy editing --84.90.219.128 (talk) 23:06, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

• And a big "salganhada" was what i found in Edgar Pacheco, duly cleaned it up. He NEVER played for Setúbal did he? I think NFT.com (which is very reliable) copied some info from ZEROZERO.PT (which is not reliable for WP because it is user-generated, anyone can contribute there) and now their info is also wrong.

I duly arranged/improved article to the best of my abilities, to a guy that hates Benfica (like i was accused of) i think i am helping in some articles related to the club. I left the CURRENT Benfica players and Mr. Jesus alone, but i will not be bullied around and leave all the articles alone just because someone thinks ill of me!

Again, happy editing is what i wish you, please notify me if i have incurred in some error in Edgar's page --84.90.219.128 (talk) 00:21, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

• Sorry to have (apparently) bothered you, won't happen again, was only trying to help. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 13:32, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

You are correct as almost always, man (even though i think you overstated a bit when you called me "WP police" over the Jesus article two years ago or so, was only trying to help), i did not take offense when you say i look like i am having a stroke, surely looks like it :)

But what do you think of Edgar's current state, please? Did i miss anything? You take care there, cumprimentos! --84.90.219.128 (talk) 15:05, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

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I don't know whose idea was it, but can you and SLBEdit please stop removing the English version of the FORADEJOGO.net website and replacing it with the Portuguese one? This is the English WP, am i not correct?

In an unrelated matter (and thank you for the hundreds of infoboxes you have added in the last weeks): full name of the club is C.D. Aves, in box just "Aves" suffices, and never "Desportivo DE Aves" (if anything it would be "Desportivo DAS Aves").

Attentively (if you, however, still think i am the WP police after this, just say so and i'll leave you in peace). In your last message, you said this was a hobby for most of the people and i should relax. No, it's only a hobby for me too, sometimes i take it way too serious i admit it, but for whom it's not a hobby FOR SURE is for people like the one that attacked me because i would not allow him to write all that he wanted in several pages - that included changing the goalkeeper Beto's name to "Betoteiro"! Rivalry is THE WORST thing that has ever happened in sport, not the refereeing or the unpaid wages) --84.90.219.128 (talk) 23:31, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks for replying. I did just what you suggest in your message before you did so, and sent the same message to SLB at the same time i sent it to you (in fact, he was the first user that i saw altering the English version to the Portuguese one). --84.90.219.128 (talk) 16:04, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Why is 84.90.219.128 always complaining? SLBedit (talk) 21:05, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

• Descobri o comentário do SLB imediatamente acima deste 15 dias depois, por acaso, já que não houve qualquer tentativa do autor do mesmo em me perguntar qualquer coisa directamente. Já enviei uma resposta, parece que sou o "polícia da WP" para várias pessoas quando só quero melhorar os conteúdos, tudo isso com tolerância ZERO para o vandalismo, e fazendo as pessoas compreenderem que isto é uma ENCICLOPÉDIA e não um BLOG PESSOAL; sou um bocado exagerado por vezes, concordo, mas é tudo.

Atentamente --84.90.219.128 (talk) 23:55, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

@SLBedit: I become a bit worried that yours and this talkpage is being stalked by the above anonymous user. In case if you both don't know, if he will persist, you can always report him for harassing.--Mishae (talk) 05:27, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

After seeing the above comment, by Mr. Mishae, in which he advises you to treat me like a common vandal, don't worry TOS and SLB, i'll stop the communication between ourselves, don't want to be accused of anything anymore.

Thank you, goodbye --84.90.219.128 (talk) 08:26, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Abel Campos

Discussing only contents now, nothing else, just WP contents,

About this player, the following: 1 - why do you say he is of Portuguese descent? Not even Djalma Campos is, both were born in Angola in a "full" Angolan family. However, if you have a solid source to this claim, then by all means add it to article; 2 - you mention something in your summaries about caps varying per different sources. One thing is for sure, he does not have only six caps, from 1988-95 he also appeared for the national team, but NFT.com does not have those figures yet. This happens with many many African players, it's best to leave the field blank.

3 - i don't have any problem with the web Vedeta ou Marreta?, but one user once told me it's not reliable per WP standards, because it's only a blog. Just telling you this so you won't be surprised if someone removes this source in an article; 4 - categories, SEGUNDA DIVISÃO PLAYERS is for those who competed in our countries' third division, Campos never played there, for second level players the correct category is SEGUNDA LIGA PLAYERS.

I could have said nothing, just reverted what I wanted to revert and move on. But I came here to discuss the contents and offer valuable tips, this has nothing to do with "policing". Happy editing, cumprimentos (sorry I broke my promise of leaving you and the other user in peace, now I do) --84.90.219.128 (talk) 21:39, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

• I don't have any problems with any users that are not vandals, but some just don't see it that way. A good source for some Portuguese footballers could also be ARQUIVOSDABOLA (here http://arquivista.wordpress.com/), for instance when you write "he scored five goals in 17 games in the 1980-81 season with Benfica to help to the X place in the table", you can add the season, which also contains all the squads with how many games and goals each player had, as a reference.

I had my entire hard work on Luís Norton de Matos' playing career removed, just because it was unref'd (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lu%C3%ADs_Norton_de_Matos&diff=613925051&oldid=611418484). Using the arquivos, I reinstated it. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 13:58, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Rúben Amorim apps

Wikipedia shows 144 appearances for Benfica, SerBenfiquista shows 145. Who's right? SLBedit (talk) 00:25, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Rúben Amorim#Club statistics is showing 144. SLBedit (talk) 17:27, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Zerozero is not reliable because it's user-edited. SLBedit (talk) 17:53, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

I have left a note in SLB's page. I don't think him or you should report me (for breaking the promise of never again contacting you) because I am only trying to HELP OK?

Attentively --84.90.219.128 (talk) 18:36, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

SerBenfiquista is correct. A Taça de Portugal match was missing. SLBedit (talk) 13:02, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Dashes, NPOV, and English language

Good to see that you are contributing again but please use – instead of - in dates and scores, stop adding your point of view, and stop making silly vocabulary and grammar mistakes. SLBedit (talk) 16:39, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Please don't add blog sources because they are not reliable. SLBedit (talk) 16:41, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

I only "contribute" from time to time. Well, I can try but it's hard to pay attention to things that small, as you can see, my work takes a lot of time, and imagination, because you can't find what I wrote on the internet. The vocabulary is no silly than I read in UEFA.com or other season articles. My POV is as imparciable as I can, remember I am fan too, but I just can't write that its sunshine's and rainbow's when a season is shit. As hard as the truth, he have to try to pass a correct idea of what happen'. The grammer mistakes is normal when you write huge walls of text, with references in between, sometimes you just miss it. Regarding sources, it's really, really hard, you can try find better but the farther you go, the less info remains.

I hope you start improving articles in more meaningful way, not that what you do doesn't matter, but it's much easier, and less error prone. Be well, and keep working, I know you give a lot of your time for this, so you're really dedicated.--Threeohsix (talk) 16:56, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

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Theroux

I do not care. SLBedit (talk) 19:00, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Ask Mogism. SLBedit (talk) 19:11, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Finally you got it. SLBedit (talk) 19:18, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Do you have proof? If you don't, don't harrass me again. If you revert me just because, you would be a vandal. "deletions done by someone with no experience in article creation" Shut up. Yes, your POV is annoying. Read this. You are not laughing, you are mad because you know what I said is true. SLBedit (talk) 20:50, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

May 2015

Welcome to Wikipedia. At least one of your recent edits, such as the edit you made to Benfica TV, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at the welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make some test edits, please use the sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. SLBedit (talk) 19:02, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Rui Vitória

Do you have a link for the statistics at Benfica juniors? SLBedit (talk) 14:16, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

@SLBedit: For the 2005-06 I used Zerozero; for the 2004-05, the only source I could find about that season was this, the stats are at the bottom. --Threeohsix (talk) 14:21, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Benfica Juniors

Are players aged 18 still part of Benfica juniors team? See Yuri Ribeiro. Do they leave juniors squad when they turn 19? SLBedit (talk) 21:02, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

@SLBedit: Juniors, or Under 19 as they are normally called, are 17 and 18 olds. Juvenis are 15 and 16. It's defined by year of birth, so this years is to players from 1997 and above. Benfica posts a squad at the beginning of every season, check it in early September.--Threeohsix (talk) 10:49, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Benfica captains

I need to know if Simão Sabrosa played a minimum 50 matches as Benfica captain (I think he did) so he can be added to the captains list. Then, I need to know when he started captaining. SLBedit (talk) 01:15, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

@SLBedit: I'm pretty sure he did, he assumed captaincy in 2003, there is even a video of him arguing with Hélder. The second captain was Nuno Gomes, who captained for a season or so, because he only became first in 2007, and then, maybe from 2008 onwards, when Nuno didn't play, it was Luisão. --Threeohsix (talk) 10:14, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Benfica Basket

Why is Benfica basketball team referred to as "Benfica Basket"? Is that even official? SLBedit (talk) 22:18, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

No, Spanish teams use the "Baloncesto" and that's not official either; it's not to conflict with the main articles. --Threeohsix (talk) 22:29, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

S.L. Benfica (basketball) is sufficient. SLBedit (talk) 22:58, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Dúvida / Ajuda

Olá então TOS,

sim cá estou eu ainda bastante nervoso, mas quem vir as minhas contribuições a antigos jogadores do Benfica nos últimos dias (antigos, claro, actuais tá quieto, já não estou para encontrar outra vez o outro palhaço) e continuar a pensar que eu odeio o Benfica esse sim precisará de ir ao médico. Claro que não estou a falar de ti, estou a falar do tipo entre parêntesis acima e os que pensam como ele.

Bom, parte técnica: acho que os campeonatos regionais antigos não devem ser contabilizados, ainda por cima dava apuramento para a Taça, já que campeonato nacional era coisa que não havia. A partir da criação deste ultimo, acho que devem ser contadas todas as presenças em ligas, da primeira divisão até à última.

Peço desculpa por qualquer inconveniente via sumário de edições, até outra --84.90.219.128 (talk) 23:39, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

• Sim, é uma grande confusão para mim admito, tentei fazer a abordagem mais lógica que consegui. Sim, acho que faz sentido o que dizes, mas provavelmente também se dá o seguinte: ANTES de 1934 (e provavelmente até bem depois) o futebol em Portugal (e arredores) era 100% amador, por isso não havia muita gente a merecer artigos de WP, acho eu. Ou então fazem-se os artigos e ficam autênticas porcarias como esta.

Bom fim de semana, gostava de ter sido de mais ajuda --84.90.219.128 (talk) 13:59, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

• É pá, é muita fruta. Não prometo nada, mas pelo menos nos portugueses hei-de dar uma olhadela. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 23:37, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Primeiro feito, José Soares: a situação com o Jardel, se diz mal dele (portou-se mal, portaram-se OS DOIS mal), também diz bem (grande exibição do rapaz). Se o meu amigo não gostar do trabalhinho é só dizer, estou a fazer o melhor que posso e sei (e volto a reiterar a apresentação correcta dos campos nas referências). --84.90.219.128 (talk) 00:41, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

• Agora, o Jorge Soares e o Edmundo. Sobre o segundo, uma correcção e um apontamento: ele não jogou no União de Tomar, mas no "equivalente" de Setúbal, como por exemplo o Nandinho (footballer, born 1975). Agora, quer-me parecer que retiras bastante da história (estou a dar como exemplo só o Edmundo, nos outros ainda não reparei) dos comentários das pessoas que lá escrevem, e isso é completamente proibido, a página já de si não é muito bem vista pelos padrões da WP, sendo um blogue. Não te preocupes, não vou remover nada, até porque sei que é verdade, estou a dizer para não te admirares se alguém o fizer.

Cumprimentos, agora "vou-me" ao Pepa. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 02:52, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Futebol Campus

I updated some things in Futebol Campus that were outdated like "under construction", "currently being expanded". Please take a look at the article. SLBedit (talk) 22:58, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

• Could you take a picture of Museu Cosme Damião and upload it to Wikimedia Commons? I think the current image (Museu Cosme Damião.jpg) is copyrighted not free and is not the best picture. SLBedit (talk) 23:01, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

@SLBedit: My opinion, ideally an article about a training center would look similar to Arsenal Training Centre, but that is not easy to accomplish, it depends on what sources exist. I think pictures, then text, then pictures is not very good way to display the article, I haven't seen elsewhere, maybe joining all the pictures would be better, deleting campo 1 that is duplicated.

Besides that, I have serious questions about the copyright of the pictures added, they are almost certainly taken by Benfica to be published to the press, and the copyright that it's a basic geometric form is not helping, let's hope it remains unnoticed. Regarding the picture of Museu Cosme Damião, I don't have one, but I hope to visit it soon and take pictures but using google image search, there are not a lot of results about that pictures, it could actually be taken by Novaconta himself.--Threeohsix (talk) 10:45, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

If you look at the metadata you can see it belongs to "Miguel Nunes/ASF", and "C:\Users\rvieira\Desktop\mus0001.JPG" is suspicious. SLBedit (talk) 21:56, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Colours in tables

I'd say you're right. People would want to use the sort option, and if it's made invisible by the colours, what's the point? '''tAD''' (talk) 22:51, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

@The Almightey Drill: Okay, then we may use colours when there is no sort option. SLBedit (talk) 18:44, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Attention please

Per this (please see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#Doubts, I was not even notified of the fact I was mentioned there), please read my reply. Thank you. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 18:25, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

• All cool, I know your intentions were good ("Tudo bem, sei que as tuas intenções eram as melhores") --84.90.219.128 (talk) 18:40, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Persondata

We only remove persondata when all data is migrated to Wikidata. SLBedit (talk) 19:44, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

@SLBedit:You're welcomed for the hard work...which article are you talking? I checked the wikidata of all of them and was consistent.--Threeohsix (talk) 19:48, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Gustavo Teixeira and Jesus Munõz Crespo. SLBedit (talk) 19:49, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

@SLBedit: I see, ok, Thanks of the advice. I added a category because you didn't noticed that they're as important, if not more, than wikidata.--Threeohsix (talk) 19:56, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

And Guilherme Espírito Santo. SLBedit (talk) 19:58, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

@SLBedit: Not related to that, are those red and white colours allowed in wikitables, like for example in List of S.L. Benfica players which a sortable table and the colours totally hide it? Should I ask WP:Footy for opinion? --Threeohsix (talk) 20:26, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

I think club colours are allowed. SLBedit (talk) 20:50, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

@SLBedit: Yes, in templates, at the bottom, but I haven't seen it in wikitables, especially in such an agressive colour as red. Have you?--Threeohsix (talk) 20:54, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

I have, in Liverpool related articles. SLBedit (talk) 21:24, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

@SLBedit: I can't find what you mean, I've search almost all of their articles, and none uses colours on top of the wikitables. I've also done a big search trying to find List of players that use colours on top of wikitables and I've found none. I don't even think it's worth opening a thread in WP:Footy about this, I doubt anyone will oppose removing the colours, any thoughts?--Threeohsix (talk) 21:33, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

@SLBedit: I've managed to backtrack where this colour thing started; in September 2014, and you even said it was distractive. Couldn't understand then, why would spread them through all of the articles in 22 January. I've check MOS:COLOR and I've no doubt that it is not allowed, as it impedes readability. Any feedback or may I start removing them?--Threeohsix (talk) 10:04, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

It does not affect any table in S.L. Benfica but affects tables in other articles. SLBedit (talk) 18:39, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

@SLBedit: If you've read MOS:COLOR, you know that it's not just about affecting tables, but also readability. The explanation given in the third paragraph makes sense to me Even for readers with unimpaired color vision, excessive background shading of table entries impedes readability and recognition of Wikilinks. Background color should be used only as a supplementary visual cue, and should be subtle (consider using lighter, less-dominant pastel hues) rather than a glaring spotlight. The red and white are bright.--Threeohsix (talk) 18:48, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

@SLBedit: I think we haven't reach consensus about this. Did you understand what the manual of style says or is incovenient and you're going to ignore it? In what way, does adding colours to wikitables headers improves an article?--Threeohsix (talk) 20:08, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Because it looks better. "impedes readability and recognition of Wikilinks" does not apply if there are no links. I have noticed sometimes you write better English, like there are two different people using the same account. SLBedit (talk) 20:17, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

I think it's not worth pursuing the subject anymore. "Because it looks better" is a baffling argument. You don't understand that i'm trying to bring those articles closer to what WP does best, and in those articles, colours in wikitables aren't even for consideration. Benfica will never have a good article if this is the way to go.--Threeohsix (talk) 20:40, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

It's not the colours in tables that is impeding the article from being considered a good article. SLBedit (talk) 23:13, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

2015–16 Liverpool F.C. season uses colours in sortable tables. SLBedit (talk) 02:40, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Colours

As you may have noticed, I have removed (from tables) and changed (in templates) Benfica colours so it complies with "WCAG 2.0's AA level" per WP:CONTRAST. Now I need to know how to change infobox colours in Benfica basketball players. Do you know how to do it? SLBedit (talk) 16:42, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

No, I don't, the players boxes receive their colours from the infobox link to the team, so maybe there is a delay. If that bothers you much, ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball, maybe they know why.--Threeohsix (talk) 16:55, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

It doesn't "bother" me as I am not color blind. SLBedit (talk) 17:21, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Non-free rationale

Benfica's non-free logo can only be used in S.L. Benfica but Barcelona's can be used in different articles. How is it possible? TLSuda (an admin) didn't even bother to reply (I couldn't find an answer). Either Barça's logo rationale is incorrect or Benfica's logo can used in more articles. SLBedit (talk) 17:33, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Deleting edit summaries

I don't think it would be best here. The normal WP:REVDEL criteria include "Grossly insulting, degrading, or offensive material", "Purely disruptive material", "Oversightable information", and "Non-contentious housekeeping". The first two are vandalism, which you definitely didn't do, the third isn't remotely close, and housekeeping is more for stuff like fixing administrative mistakes. You will note that we also have a criterion that permits "Valid deletion under deletion policy", i.e. it's okay to use RevDel to do something if it would be okay to use ordinary deletion to do the same thing. I think I could make a case for this being a G7 speedy deletion situation, author-requested, but seeing that your edits are mixed with Ajaleone's, deleting just yours would make things much more confusing, and deleting hers too wouldn't be "author-requested". So, overall, I don't think any kind of revdel would be both helpful and in accordance with policy. Any more opinions? Let me know and I'll consider them. Nyttend (talk) 21:21, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

"Changing the edits to something..." Are you asking that I change the edit summaries? That's not possible; only the developers are able to do anything of that sort, and then only by tweaking the database content to make it look like you originally said that. I'm only able to delete stuff outright. Nyttend (talk) 22:19, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Deleting the content outright, unfortunately, would prevent proper attribution, which is required for legal purposes by the GFDL and CC-BY-SA-3.0 licenses under which Wikipedia is published. I don't think there's a way to do this, unless of course Ajaleone comes and asks that we remove it. Normally that wouldn't work, since we typically don't remove stuff just because someone asks us to, but removal requests by both editors would be enough for a G7 speedy deletion without question. Nyttend (talk) 22:38, 23 June 2015 (UTC)