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2020–21 United States network television schedule (daytime)

Look, I was trying to fix the schedule step by step because it's a mess. The Mon-Fri 6 a.m. hour is not given by the networks, as they mostly air local newscasts since 4:30 a.m.; on Sundays someone added the 6 a.m. hour unnecessarily, and don't get me started on the sports' airtimes. But since you didn't let me finish my editions I won't bother, I just wanted to let you know what was wrong. Greetings. — MrE (talk) 19:47, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

My edits have nothing to do with the weekend, only Monday-Friday. The 6am hour is listed on every Monday-Friday Wikipedia daytime schedule available. Removing the 6am hour now would be breaking precedent. The networks have scheduled programs that air starting from 3 and 4am, it's not local programming. Happily finish your editions. I am merely keeping the Monday-Friday schedule consistent. — Thematrix92498 (talk) 19:53, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Actually networks offer programming until ~4:30 a.m., and later most affiliates air local news/programming until 7 a.m., that's why I removed it. It has been going on that way for a long time. If you want you can check the schedules from every network on their websites, TV Guide or even local listings. — MrE (talk) 20:03, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure whether most affiliate stations opt to air network newscasts or local newscasts prior to 7 a.m. If you feel listing these newscasts is inaccurate, I will remove them. I am more familiar with actual network daytime shows. Days of Our Lives, for example, doesn't actually air at 1 p.m. in much of the country, but 1 p.m. is its network recommended slot. I believe 10 a.m. is the network recommended slot for Let's Make a Deal despite it airing at 3 p.m. on many affiliates. — Thematrix92498 (talk) 20:13, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes, the Let's Make a Deal hour was wrong but I didn't move it, I was just focusing on the early morning and weekend sports airtimes. — MrE (talk) 20:16, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Ok, I will delete the Monday-Friday early morning newscasts. Thanks for your edits. Thematrix92498 (talk) 20:59, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Daytime/late night schedules

I wanted to ask you what is your opinion on a particular topic: what do you think of the split of the weeknights schedule? As only NBC would have different Fri scheduling, this does not mean that it can't be added to the weeknights' schedule, as it's a waste of space and could be easily replaced with a note. I talked about this on the editor's talk page but he did not seem to understand it. Also, I'm getting tired of that particular user not putting the adecquate style to the schedules and adding unnecessary information, so I'm considering to retire from working on the daytime/late night schedules. Let me know what you think on the first matter. Thanks. — MrE (talk) 21:47, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

I’m happy you messaged, I’ve been meaning to tell you how great the current 2021-22 daytime schedule looks. My opinion: the splitting is a complete waste and nearly pointless. It’s becoming aggravating to see users completely change these network schedules when they don’t really know what they’re doing and aren’t familiar with precedent or guidelines (a few years back someone actually filled in an entire daytime schedule not realizing that there’s a difference between syndicated and network programming). I would not blame you for retiring. Admittedly, I’ve been busy and haven’t been able to help much lately, but I will step up since this is clearly getting out of hand with that specific user (amongst a few others as well). I encourage you to stay, but this is exhausting and it can’t all be on you. Honestly, if there is some way Hoopstercat can be reported, it may be time to follow through. I have no problem with people learning how to edit and correcting things, but they are completely changing pages and this isn’t acceptable. Let me know what I can do to help. Thematrix92498 (talk) 22:21, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your opinion, I'll try to do my best to keep contributing. Also, I've been warning Hoopstercat several times, so I don't think that this still is a problem of misunderstanding. On the other hand, would you mind undoing the edits? I asked for your opinion so it doesn't become an edit war. — MrE (talk) 22:45, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

I posted on the 2021-22 late night talk page in hopes of getting some general consensus on this so I can undo Hoopstercat’s revisions on both the 2021-22 schedule in addition to the 2020-21 schedule. That user is already attempting to create a separate Olympics schedule for NBC in addition to the four other schedules on the page. This is way excessive. If no one else posts on the talk page in a few days, I will just go ahead and undo the edits myself. Thematrix92498 (talk) 23:24, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Okay then, thanks for stepping up. Greetings! — MrE (talk) 23:45, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

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3rd Hour and H&J

What's your deal?

3rd Hour and H&J are not news shows - they are chat shows like The View or The Talk.

Also you don't threaten me about if I revert I'll never edit this article again - last I checked, you don't own the article and acting like you do is a no-no around here.

You have a disagreement, let's let consensus figure it out, but you DO NOT get to act like some big bad gunslinger and threaten people...this ain't the old west, and this ain't YOUR town...others can come in too.

Vjmlhds (talk) 17:27, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

I’m aggressive because these programs are verified according to how stations label them. They’re labeled as news programs. The Today Show was broadcast as a straight four hour news program for over ten years. The only reason why NBC even split the third and fourth hour from the rest of the block is because they wanted to count the numbers for their daytime lineup so it wouldn’t only consist of Days of Our Lives. I’ve reverted this edit so many times from you and others, I’m tired of it. You didn’t discuss this on the talk page, you’re not a moderator of this page, and frankly, reverting this edit every few months is extremely defiant on your part. There are a total of four moderators for the daytime schedule. If you make this edit again, we will contact admin.

I’ve had it with the constant nit-picking on the daytime schedules. Outside of GMA3, a new daytime program hasn’t been launched by the networks in over ten years. There is absolutely no reason why you and other users need to constantly screw with these schedules. Thematrix92498 (talk) 18:11, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

When you say you reverted from me and others, that indicates that you are waging a solo war against multiple editors. When you talk about being defiant, that would more aptly describe you, since you - by your own admission - reverted multiple editors (in other words, you're right and the rest of the world is wrong). in the Hoda & Jenna article itself, it is described as - and I quote - an American daytime television talk show on NBC. I'm not big on getting admins involved, because truthfully it is more trouble than what it's worth, but you are displaying all the classic obvious traits of WP:Own. You need to stop and chill before you go down a road that isn't pleasant. You want to discuss it on the article's talk page, great - get some more eyeballs on it, see what they think, and we'll go from there, but you playing tough guy and threatening people will do you more harm than good, so take my advice for what it's worth, and let's let consensus sort it out. Vjmlhds (talk) 18:40, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

I am trying to be as straight forward with you as possible - there IS already a consensus. Mr. E, Hoopstercat, Stickguy, and I have ALREADY discussed and resolved this issue. We all agreed they are news programs, not talk shows. How would extensions of the Today Show be in any way talk shows? There is already a consensus amongst the four frequent editors of this page. In fact, Mr. E reverted this edit from you a few months ago. If you want to contribute, you are welcome to do so, but you need to stop changing this edit when it has already gotten the consensus you demand. Check the talk pages. Thematrix92498 (talk) 18:46, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Show me this consensus, otherwise you're just expecting me to take you at your word - also you need to watch your tone...when you talk about needing to "educate" me in edit summaries, that can be construed as a personal attack which is a MAJOR no-no around here. You have this tendency to just expect people to do what you want them to do because you say so...not a good look. Vjmlhds (talk) 19:04, 26 December 2021 (UTC)~

Fine, I apologize for being blunt, but go look at the talk pages and the same edits that were reverted by other editors. I am genuinely not trying to upset you, I am merely stating what I and other users have worked on for the past several years. It’s not fair for users to just come in and change things without discussing it on the talk page. If you want to start a new forum on the talk page, we can discuss this all again with other editors. Thematrix92498 (talk) 19:19, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

It's not about being blunt, it's acting in ways that are documented to be against Wiki policy. Trust me, if I wanted to ignore the rules and just let it rip, I could bury you six ways to Sunday, but I have to color within the lines around here, lest I be escorted off the premises. Likewise, you just can't let rip and say things that are frowned upon in this establishment, because then you'd be thrown out of said establishment if certain administrational eyeballs got a look at it. I have started a discussion on the article talk page, and whoever wants to jump in the pool feel free. Whatever consensus says is fine with me, we'll put this to bed, we'll shake hands, and move on with our lives. OK? Vjmlhds (talk) 19:56, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Fine. But if you wanted to “bury” me and the other editors on these schedules, you should have been working on them from jump like the rest of us have. We’ve been creating these pages for years. Thematrix92498 (talk) 20:08, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

When I talk about "burials", I was referring to snide remarks and insulting comments that would make your "educating me" line look like kindergarten. The reason I don't go there is because of the rules - likewise you shouldn't tell people you're "educating" them, because (1) what makes you so smart, and (2) cracks like that go against WP:Personal. I'm trying to throw you a bone here and tell you you gotta turn the tone down a notch. We can discuss article content all day long, but if wanna come out with guns a-blazin' then don't be surprised when the cops get called...that's all I'm saying. Vjmlhds (talk) 20:19, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

There is absolutely no reason at all for you to feel as though you can change whatever you want on these pages without discussing it. You want to contact admin? Fine. Your comments are extremely demeaning and I’ve apologized to you twice now. Thematrix92498 (talk) 20:25, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

# of schedules

I thought to bring you into this since I think you should hear what am I about to say: since we have added the 7 and 11 pm et hour on weekends due to its way of Primetime Plus and late night mean the same thing we were able to get those hours on the schedule on weekends now the question becomes do you think Late night and Overnight schedule can be combined again but keep its notes on both to regard that (Fox is now no longer in the late night schedule due to the term Primetime Plus and that’s how it forms it’s late night programming based on that term) so I want to hear your thoughts in how to tackle this since I think late night and overnight can be combined since we have it cleared and there’s no difference between the 2 and the only thing we have to do now is put the notes correctly Hoopstercat (talk) 23:31, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi - thank you for including me in this discussion. I appreciate you advocating for combining the 7pm and 11pm hours into the primetime schedule. I’ve felt that was long overdue. I am absolutely in favor of combining the current late night and overnight schedules as they are now communicating the same information without the weekend included. I have two requests: I think it would be better if the schedules were referred to as “late night” together instead of “overnight” since that is the way the networks indentify them. I would also like this change to be made to the past schedules that have separated late night and overnight (I am more than happy to help with this). If you need me to comment on the talk page, just let me know. Thematrix92498 (talk) 08:50, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

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