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Hi there - I'm afraid I don't entirely understand what you were suggesting in your note. If you meant the article needs to include criticism of him, then there's no problem with that, so long as it's verifiable, well sourced, and meets our [[WP:BLP}biographies of living people guidelines]]. I'm afraid I don't know anything about the topic, I only edited it when I happened to come across some changes that didn't meet our BLP guidelines on the recent changes list. All the best --Saalstin (talk) 19:15, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Hello and welcome to Wikipedia, don't worry about being new around here, all the rules can take a while to understand. Regarding this text that you added, it was all personal commentary on Mike Ashley and was not encyclopedic. Also, generally Wikipedia should not be self-referencing. That some idiots were vandalising his article is not significant for his own history, it is not relevant to a summary of his life and including it in this article would be placing undue weight on it. Finally, articles about living people have to adhere to the policy on biographies of living people which states that every contentious statement needs to have a reliable third party source; an NUFC blog is not reliable in this sense. If you want to suggest some text be added that might be contentious, add it first on the talkpage (add "Talk:" to the article title or click on the "Discussion" tab) where it can be discussed by other interested editors.
I hope I haven't overloaded you with too many policies and guidelines. If you have any questions, please drop by to my talkpage again. Regards, Woody (talk) 21:32, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
- The trouble with that is, on of the core policies of Wikipedia is no original research or synthesis of sources. If we have an article written in 2006 which seems positive in tone, one in 2007 that is ambivalent and one is 2008 that is negative, we cannot then say, oh his public standing has decreased. We need an article in a reliable source that discusses this implicitly. We need a source that we can quote that says "Ashley's public image has suffered because..." We cannot add our own opinions, only what is discussed in reliable sources and is wholly verifiable, particularly in biographies of living people. Regards, Woody (talk) 16:58, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
- See our reliable sources guideline, basically broadsheets over tabloids, so The Times or BBC over the Sun or Daily Mail. Also make sure if it is an opinion piece that it is cited as such (from WP:RS: News reporting is distinct from opinion pieces. An opinion piece is reliable only as to the opinion of its author, not as a statement of fact, and should be attributed in-text.) Also see Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Sources which explains it in detail. Always remember that with BLPs we have to be extra careful about sourcing and avoiding rumour and opinions. Regards, Woody (talk) 18:59, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Middlesbrough F.C.
[edit]Hi, the additions you made to the Middlesbrough F.C. supporters section were not referenced. One half-sentence included the name of a radio station, but that didn't reference what you added. You're absolutely correct that Wikipedia articles should be written from a neutral point of view. If you believe the current wording isn't neutral, I suggest you begin a discussion of the matter on the article's talk page, pointing out where you think the bias lies, and perhaps suggesting additional reliably-sourced facts which you think should be introduced to counter that bias. It isn't really helpful adding things like "Although this reading was not achieved without the stadiums P.A. system adding to the volume by playing their theme tune" or using the word "wannabes": that just reads like your personal bias. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 21:53, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
- Think you're missing the point about reliable published sources. If you have one that says the PA was needed to boost the decibel reading, then supply it. But your additions have already been reverted twice. If you feel strongly about them, then do as I suggested before, and start a discussion at the talk page.
- As you may have noticed by now, I've reverted your additions to Derek Llambias, because the Wikipedia policy WP:Biographies of living persons says that "Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion." If what you added is accurate, you shouldn't have any trouble finding reliable sources for it. I've also reverted your linking of Leo Wanker in The Paul Hogan Show to Derek Llambias: edits like that don't make it easy to assume good faith in other edits. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 22:23, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
- What I removed from Derek Llambias ran counter to the WP:BLP policy by being unsourced and negative/questionable. Some of it was added by you, which is why I mentioned it. And for what it's worth, I agree with most of what you've written on the talk page about the article needing improvement, but it has to be done within the constraints of WP policy, which means finding the reliable published sources before adding the content. I see User:Woody's offered help if you need it; perhaps he can explain this stuff better than me.
- For information, Smackbot is a bot that formats the citation-needed tags, it isn't a human reviewing content. And no, I wasn't planning to review everything you've ever added to Wikipedia: does it need it? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 06:58, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
No, sorry, it would be completely wrong of me to add a book I haven't seen as a source for someone else's edits. I'm surprised the Newcastle United official history has much to say on the subject of Middlesbrough F.C. supporters, but if it does, then I'm sure you can manage the formatting yourself. One thing to remember is that it's best if you put the relevant page number(s) in each reference. Presumably you won't be using it to source the PA volume stuff, seeing as it pre-dates the cited survey. Still think you'd do better discussing it at the talk page first. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 16:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Mike Ashley
[edit]I haven't removed it, I've edited it to make it more neutral in tone - "Ashley once again reduced the clubs image to a laughing stock" is not the sort of NPOV statements we make here. --Cameron Scott (talk) 19:10, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
It's fairly common when encountering a new editor to check out their contributions. I saw one of your previous edits was on the Dalton article and since we only tend to avoid rumors removed it. If you can source it, re-add it. --Cameron Scott (talk) 19:15, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
"you just have to read its headline,+ joke = laugh, if you care to read it!" we only report what's in an article, we *never* read between the lines and add our own conclusions. If you are unhappy with the removal, ask woody, he will tell you the same thing. --Cameron Scott (talk) 19:18, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
I have no idea what you are talking about - it works like this 1) I see your edits to the Newcastle page - a page I have on my watchlist 2) I click on and check your user contributions 3) I see you have made another edit that does not confirm to policy and remove it. 4) the end. --Cameron Scott (talk) 19:26, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- If you note my comments above at #Mike Ashley (businessman), "See our reliable sources guideline, basically broadsheets over tabloids, so The Times or BBC over the Sun or Daily Mail. Also make sure if it is an opinion piece that it is cited as such (from WP:RS: News reporting is distinct from opinion pieces. An opinion piece is reliable only as to the opinion of its author, not as a statement of fact, and should be attributed in-text.) Also see Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Sources which explains it in detail."
- The Mirror is in no way reliable, so we should not be including opinion pieces from it. Even if we you do manage to find a newspaper that says explicitly "Mike Ashley is a laughing stock" we still wouldn't include it because as it is not our job to be sensationalist. We state the facts: club has declined, profit down, due diligence etc. and let the reader make any judgements they feel neccessary. Regards, Woody (talk) 20:23, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- It's fine, really, I understand that it takes a while to fully understand our policies and what is appropriate. In terms of other editors, look to long-term editors for inspiration. Go to WP:FA and look at recent ones or go to WP:FOOTY#Featured content, particularly the Featured articles. One of the FA criteria (though only relatively recently introduced) is that "high quality sources" must be used. That other editors are not living up to the standards is no excuse.
- "Ashley again angered supporters when he left the club a laughing stock" is something that is really not appropriate as it goes against most of our core polices. "Laughing stock" is entirely subjective and can't be measured. Stick to the facts and verifiable statements and you will be fine. Regards, Woody (talk) 22:21, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
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[edit]I thought I had removed the warning from your page. As you pointed out I had been spending most of the time removing the rubbish edits on the page. Of course I apologise for not removing the warning (although I thought I had). In your position I would have removed the warning myself and took no notice of it as you had seen the others I had deleted and just realised it was a mistake. Hammer1980·talk 17:17, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
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