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actually, you CAN be arrested if you are already in jail ...

This happens fairly regularly. A person can be in jail arrested for one crime, and can be re-arrested for some other crime and must appear at an arraignment. FYI. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.111.51.207 (talk) 02:57, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Okay. So people can be arrested while in jail. Happy Thanksgiving.--the eloquent peasant (talk) 03:04, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Semantics - I tend to agree with Rick Willard here. https://www.quora.com/Can-you-arrest-someone-who-is-already-in-jail --the eloquent peasant (talk) 03:09, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

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You are among the nicest people in Wikipedia with whom I have had the honor and pleasure of interacting with. I therefore have inducted you into my "Hall of Honor". Tony the Marine (talk) 21:42, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

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Hello

Hi Level C, I want to know that Canóvanas (Loíza) and Canóvanas, Puerto Rico are same or different? I was quite confused. Please let me know. Regards, AD ^Talk 18:46, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

They are different places. You can see in the U.S. Census doc here on page 17 is Canóvanas the municipality with a barrio named Canóvanas AND a barrio-pueblo named Canóvanas. And then there's a barrio named Canóvanas in Loíza. OMG!: https://permanent.access.gpo.gov/gpo35934/cph-2-53.pdf Regards, --the eloquent peasant (talk) 18:57, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Also you can check the page in the other languages and verify it by viewing the population numbers. --the eloquent peasant (talk) 19:08, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Thankyou for clearing out. Regards, AD ^Talk 05:54, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for clearing that up here is better here than clear out, see #22 is the definition (most English speakers understand #22 when they read / hear clear out here. Not to be an a&*&hole but I wouldn't be a teacher if I didn't add that bit of information. I'm glad to clear that up for you! Thank you for your comments and have a nice year. --the eloquent peasant (talk) 14:07, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Your barrio chain is pretty busy today.... TheWinRat (talk) 17:44, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks @Thewinrat: - that is a looooot of barrios! --the eloquent peasant (talk) 20:33, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

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Sub-barrio vs. subbarrio

Re: [1], thanks for noticing, that way we can standardize the naming. I may have to go back to redo some other articles, but if you happen to see them before I do, better yet! Mercy11 (talk) 19:54, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Your welcome! --the eloquent peasant (talk) 20:23, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Refs every sentence

We tend to ref every sentence for medical articles to make the supporting source clear. Best Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 06:27, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Ahhhhh... the eloquent peasant (talk) 09:18, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Removing archives of Google books

Hey Level C

Wondering if you can remove the archives of Google books as they do not work? They were added in edits like this.[2]

And look like https://web.archive.org/web/20160513151127/https://books.google.com/books?id=Ab_pQOdi2fUC&pg=PA143

Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:01, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

@Doc James: Cheers! NP. I can probably get to that in a few days.--the eloquent peasant (talk) 15:55, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

The Gout article is  Done Checking the others will be a slow process.--the eloquent peasant (talk) 15:45, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Can we get a bot to do this? I am happy to start the request for approval. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 06:27, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Have started the discussion of a bot here Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Fz29bot 2 Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 10:02, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Not sure how to search for and pull up all instances of this issue. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 10:14, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Also I think there are times when the archive actually does work. I'm sure this issue has happened not only on medical articles. Archives! Hopefully it won't end up being a manual process. Would you mind, I'm curious, verbalizing to me why you dislike the archives - aesthetic reasons? other? I don't like when it doesn't work either but on a scale of 1 - 10 it doesn't seem that important or am I missing something? Cheers! Oh, and you can look at the number of edits that I did when you gave me a barnstar for being a top medical contributor, and that might give you an idea of how many pages. But as I said, I'm sure this is across WP on other non-medical articles. --the eloquent peasant (talk) 10:21, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

I just checked, and of concern to you, it'll be about 967 medical articles. But of concern to others, many, many more articles. --the eloquent peasant (talk) 10:26, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

It is only the archives of Google books that do not work. All the other archives work. So it is simple a selective removal. Google dose not allow its books to be archived.

A non functional archive just gives more text with in the edit window that needs to be worked around without any benefit.

It is not a big deal just a minor annoyance :-) Still appreciate all the archiving you did of all the other stuff very much. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:10, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Actually I spoke too soon. Some of the google book archives do work... Such as this one https://web.archive.org/web/20170908191457/https://books.google.com/books?id=6oHRBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA692#v=onepage&q&f=false

Meh leave them :-) Unless we can figure out a way to find the ones that work versus the ones that do not and remove only the non working ones. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:13, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

I think it's a fat chance there's an easy way to do this, then again there may be a tool out there that we don't know about. Books.google'll sometimes display an entire book, sometimes a page or two, sometimes it'll display a page today but not tomorrow. I know most times when people go to the article's history page and run (what I did) "fix dead links" they also add an "External Links modified" section to the article's talk page. I didn't do that at the time 'cause I didn't know how to. Even then, another editor could go through and check each reference that was archived to see that the tool did it correctly. Time consuming and most articles have "External links modified" sections like here: and no one ever checks the archives work. But that tool (I think) is for something else, not exactly for what you're requesting. Anyway. It's a nice day. Time to garden or something.--the eloquent peasant (talk) 16:59, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

@Doc James:I can try to flip through some of the 937 articles and fix them in my spare time. It'll take me awhile. Your hard work is definitely an inspiration to others. Take care.the eloquent peasant (talk) 13:28, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

The broken links are not a big deal. No worries. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 13:32, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

@Doc James: That's even better. I can work on the wikidata items' Spanish descriptions. (Something bigger and better.) Thanks. the eloquent peasant (talk) 13:36, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Boricua Barnstar

I am amazed at all the work and time which you have dedicated into improving so many Puerto Rican related articles. Tony the Marine (talk) 02:29, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

This Boricua Tireless Contributor Barnstar is presented to User:Level C for his/her continued work on Puerto Rican related articles. Presented by Tony the Marine (talk)

Maps

If you are interested in maps for rivers or whatever, there is a WP group that makes them for you. See [[Category:Wikipedians interested in mapmaking]] for an idea. I am sure they have a "WP:Project page" but I don't have time to research that much as I am quite busy in real life. Of course, if you want to learn yourself how to make them, then you may still need to get some direction from one of the guys there. I believe you need to get datasets for the locale in question and then the software of course. Think the datasets are available (free?) from the USGS office. Perhaps you already knew all that anyway, if so, good luck, Mercy11 (talk) 00:24, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi. It's good to be busy and thanks for the information. I didn't know about them. I think that's a good idea and I'll search them out. BTW, I already downloaded some datasets but I'm not sure I'll get much further than that.--Level C (talk) 00:54, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Removal of extra spaces in infoboxes

Level C, I am catching up with my Watchlist after a few days laying low due to real life commitments. And it turns out that you seem to have been running a script of sorts that removed the extra spaces from A LOT (as far as my eye can see, from ALL) the Ponce, Puerto Rico, articles. HERE is one example. I don't know of any WP policy, MOS, mandate, recommendation, or even as little as a suggestion, that this is needed. The extra spaces are useful because they make editing the infoboxes easier, and almost guarantees there is nothing missing from them - because the extra spaces line up all the equal signs (for the most part, but there are exceptions) a quick visual inspection is all that takes to ensure a quality infobox. Just for articles about Ponce mayors I had over 100 infoboxes with spaces neatly lined up, but days worth of work was all undone as a result of your removal work. I want you to know that it takes A LOT of time to add the extra spaces there by hand, because oftentimes it's NOT as simple as just identifying which one field contains the most out-flung "=" sign and then lining up the rest of them with that one. There is human brain power and critical decision-making involved in the process, which is part of the reason why it takes so long to get the infobox of just a single one article "just right". That said and explained, unless you can come up with a WP mandate that infoboxes cannot have extra spaces, would you kindly undo all the extra-spaces removal from the Ponce, Puerto Rico, articles from which you removed them. Thank you. In the future, please consider first discussing your plans with other Project members before embarking in such umbrella actions. Regards, Mercy11 (talk) 03:03, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Wow. I'll add them back. I didn't know people liked those white spaces so much. I'm sorry. I'll add them back exactly as you had them tomorrow... peace and good night. Sorry about that. And im surprised no one's ever programmed the capability to add a tab into the infobox (before the equal sign).

I found the ten or eleven articles and restored their white space, per your preference. (It wasn't all or hundreds of articles.) BTW, I had removed the extra white space, off those articles because, to me, the excess white space makes the page look untidy but there is no mandate... but I've since learned that you're not the only editor who prefers the white space in the infobox. I can understand going with your preference. See WP:WHITE. Have a good April. Level C (talk) 10:17, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, Mercy11 (talk) 21:59, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

I see you found others...Level C (talk) 22:10, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

@Mercy11: I personally don't see why you hate the removal of white spaces on ALL the P.R. articles. I like less white space in the infobox, when possible.Level C (talk) 22:24, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

untidy infobox

@Mercy11: BTW, you've done a fantastic job on the Ponce articles.Level C (talk) 00:58, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Removing extra spaces from infoboxes

Can you please not remove these spaces from infoboxes.

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Thanks Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:05, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

OK. I'll go back and put the spaces from the articles where I already removed the white spaces.--Level C (talk) 20:06, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

@Doc James: I'll add the white spaces. --Level C (talk) 20:25, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks appreciate it :-) If you could make all the "=" signs in medical and drug infoboxes line up that would be even better. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:27, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

After I'd done a few, I asked myself 'maybe I shouldn't remove the white space on the health articles 'cause the infobox // for readability'.. But we work in a vacuum, you know. Next time, I'll ask you. Have a nice (what's left of the) weekend.--Level C (talk) 20:33, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Yah no worries. By the way the type of spaces you are added are a little unusual in the old editor. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:39, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Many months ago I tried working with the infobox contents alignment and found there's no easy way to do that. The AWB tool allows you to TAB within the infobox which made me think "GREAT!- It'll align the equal signs by editing with the tool". But then when you save it, it doesn't look the same (the equal signs don't completely align like they do in edit mode). And doing a regular edit (without the tool) requires using the space bar 'cause the "tab" key doesn't work within "article edit mode". So I'll do my best with them. (That's why I was deleting all the white space to begin with- I figured since they can't be easily aligned then don't even try to). But I can see how those medical infoboxes can be hard to read if not aligned. Ciao.Level C (talk) 23:28, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

@Doc James: What you said about how alignment looks on the "Old editor" in combination with me just seeing how you aligned Docusate made me realize that what you see and what I see are two entirely different things in the infobox. What you edited in Docusate, looks misaligned to me. And what I see as aligned to you looks "a little unusual in the old editor". Very interesting. Yah no worries. AND Regardless.. with that much text, it's easier to read it with more white space... --Level C (talk) 00:41, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Docusate is not perfectly aligned for me either as some of the item names are too long. Gout is better aligned. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 09:52, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

@Doc James: I'm surprised no one's ever programmed the capability to add a tab into the infobox (before the equal sign). That would be useful and resolve a lot of 'ugliness'. I hate to see that misalignment too. ... You've done a fantastic job curating those! I'm here to help, if you ever need assistance. I thought the AWB tool could help discover those with the books.google links leading to empty pages and it could. The tool helps identify the articles that have books.google refs but then each one as to be reviewed individually, obviously. April Fools Day and have a good one. (signed - The sometimes Eloquent Peasant aka: Level C (talk) 11:48, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Well if you are offering tech help :-) I am wanting a set of videos visible within the offline ZIMs made by Kiwix but not visible on WP. We have this MediaWiki:Offline.css. Do you know how one could add hidden videos and than unhide them via css? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 13:54, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

@Doc James:I've sometimes done some testing of translation tech being worked on by guys and girls at wikimedia but I don't know how to help you with that. Level C (talk) 14:30, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

@Doc James:In my opinion, if the infobox's alignment inside the infobox is off, it's better for the editor not to try to align it... situation # 1) perfect alignment (probably happens first time infobox is copied over to article from template, situation # 2) a messy alignment, happens through gradual degradation by multiple editors trying to move the equal signs around and situation # 3) "parameter name" followed by the equal sign followed by text .. For me #1 or # 3 are the best options but most medical articles are #2. Those are my final thoughts on it. It's not a big deal like earthshattering or earth burning or anything like that, but did want to share my thoughts on it. I'm not sure why WP:WHITE doesn't mention the AWB tool has the option to "remove excess white space".--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 18:17, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Video

The question is is there a way with .css to convert

<!-- [[File:File.webm|thumb|upright=1.36|Video explanation]] -->

to

[[File:File.webm|thumb|upright=1.36|Video explanation]]

Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:36, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Do you want the user to toggle the video on and off as they land on the page? Almost like some internet pages that allow the user to turn SOUND "on" or "off" on the page? or Do you want the page to automatically always show hidden video on WP? I wish I could help.

@Doc James: How many files do you have to do this for?

Will the fix to show hidden video files just be a one-time change to the page? --Level C (talk) 14:55, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

There are about 400 videos. They should stay hidden on EN WP. But should be unhidden when turned into a ZIM. ZIMs have a .css[4] that can give more formating instructions as the ZIM is created.

We have this https://www.w3schools.com/cssref/pr_class_visibility.asp

Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 15:17, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

I don't know but as the WP files are converted to Zims on someone's machine, you want the .css to be set to correctly display videos. (that would otherwise be hidden on WP). I understand your request. I don't know how to do that. Level C (talk) 15:35, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Okay will keep poking around. If you think of something let me know :-) Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 15:37, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

@Doc James: I'm sure you don't want the video to autoplay (as a background) but maybe this here has clues. I love the way programmers always say "just" and "simply" 'cause it's never just or simply! https://slicejack.com/fullscreen-html5-video-background-css/ Wish I could help. Level C (talk) 15:41, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

User:RexxS has developed a solution as described here. Just need to get an interface admin to add a bit of text.

By the way with respect to content translation / a tool generally it would be nice to have a tool that moves references to after the punctuation / before the punctuation.

For EN medical articles we put references immediately after the punctuation. In Japanese they put the references right before the punctuation. Thus a fair bit of work required when translating to move the punctuation / reference.

Also students on EN WP often put the ref before the punctuation. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:31, 5 April 2019 (UTC)