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WikiCup 2012 February newsletter

Round 1 is already over! The 64 highest scorers have progressed to round 2. Our highest scorer was Grapple X (submissions), again thanks mostly to a swathe of good articles on The X-Files. In second place was Tigerboy1966 (submissions), thanks an impressive list of did you knows about racehorses. Both scored over 400 points. Following behind with over 300 points were Ruby2010 (submissions), Cwmhiraeth (submissions), Miyagawa (submissions) and Casliber (submissions). February also saw the competition's first featured list: List of colleges and universities in North Dakota, from Ruby2010 (submissions). At the other end of the scale, 11 points was enough to secure a place in this round, and some contestants with 10 points made it into the round on a tiebreaker. This is higher than the 8 points that were needed last year, but lower than the 20 points required the year before. The number of points required to progress to round 3 will be significantly higher.

The remaining contestants have been split into 8 pools of 8, named A through H. Round two will finish in two months time on 28 April, when the two highest scorers in each pool, as well as the next 16 highest scorers, will progress to round 3. The pools were entirely random, so while some pools may end up being more competitive than others, this is by chance rather than design.

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Hold on...

G'day from Oz; another reason for the reverts was that there was already a perfectly good Cat before Ryan came along and unilaterally started populating the 'in England' category. Cheers YSSYguy (talk) 00:12, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Looking at Category:Aviation accidents and incidents in England, it wasn't created by Ryan - if it needs to be depopulated and upmerged to the UK cat, it needs to be discussed at WP:CFD. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:22, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict & interrupted internet service) Well, the 'in the UK' category. I'm a bit puzzled is all; you have done exactly the same thing yourself in the past - see here and here for instance. YSSYguy (talk) 00:34, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

At the time I did the reverts, the "...in England" category had been created by a Ryansock and was nuked accordingly. Since then another, legit user legitimately created the category. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:42, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I see. As long as his contribs are expunged to the maximum anount possible and as many people as possible are aware of his pariah status, I don't mind. I was just aiming for a consistent approach. 'Bye for now. YSSYguy (talk) 00:46, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

No worries; he does need to be WP:SHUNned! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:47, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Inaccurate information

Hey there. I come to you with an interesting dilemma in regards to the 2012 Formula Renault UK season article page. At present, an IP has placed completely inaccurate information on the page; I believe it to be the IP entering his own name on the page, with a made-up team name to boot. According to Google, the only known reference to a "Kieran Baxter" appears to be a kart racer, rather than a single-seater driver. Likewise for a "Ktech Grand Prix". If I revert the page once more, I'd be in violation of 3RR; the IP has been warned by myself, and another user, after a similar edit pattern on the 2010 Formula Renault UK season page. As much as it pains that I cannot revert the page, I am a bit of a perfectionist in wanting it with all the right info, if you catch my drift! Haha. Regards, Craig(talk) 02:22, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Looks to me like a classic case of somebody trying to add what they WP:MADEUP, eh? I've reverted the vandalism and semi-protected the page for a week; that should solve the problem (I hope!). :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:26, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Oh, absolutely...it just goes to show that you don't realise how many times such IPs want to get their way, and make themselves famous on Wiki...not all IPs, but so many...I think with our combined experiences on the site, we must have seen many thousands attempt to get "some fame". Haha! Should solve the problem I feel, many thanks. Makes my job a little easier now. ;) Craig(talk) 02:30, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Speedy renaming of sportscar entrant categories

Hi The Bushranger. I have started a discussion at WP:SCR about the recent speedy renaming of Category:World Sportscar Championship entrants and Category:Can-Am entrants. DH85868993 (talk) 14:07, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Replied there, thanks. :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 14:39, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Umm... Hi!(?)

Yeeah so... I just got a message saying I should stop editing articles on Wikipedia... but... I haven't edited any articles on Wikipedia recently... haven't actually been on half the articles I've been accused of editing...

...apparently you're the one that told me to stop... I think...

• doesn't really know what he's doing right now*

Anyways, just wanted to give you a heads up that I'm not actually doing anything. I was just looking through the List of Touhou Characters page when I got the message...

...pretty sure nobody else using this IP address has any interest in editing Wiki either... no idea who's making the edits or how they're doing it...

...anywhoo! You can delete this message/edit/whatever-it-is once you get it... I'm not really sure how to message you personally so this is the only way I can inform you I guess... I'm not even sure if this message has a real point...

So... Yeah, have a good one! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.168.144.150 (talk) 21:39, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi there - it's entirely possible that that warning was aimed at another user; dynamic IP addresses can cause that to happen sometimes! If you're editing within the rules, that's perfectly cool - although I'd suggest creating an account so you don't get cases where IP-hopping vandals' warnings wind up seemingly addressed to you. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:43, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for John King (racing driver)

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for 7.2-Inch Demolition Rocket

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Chandler Robbins

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm rethinking ...

In reviewing your close to this thread, I suppose we could offer to impose the "super-duper special double-ban". :-) — Ched :  ?  17:50, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Or we could do what NASCAR does, and put them on double secret probation? ;) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 19:19, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

LMAO ... guess Knaus is appealing that though. :) ... cool ... didn't realize you were a NASCAR fan. Whatcha been workin on? — Ched :  ?  00:29, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Quite a few bios of the newer drivers (i.e. the younger Dillon and his teammate). As well as updating all the infoboxes every weekend! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:30, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Fantastic .. I'll take a look. I have a few old things like 1950 in NASCAR in my sandbox .. been meaning to get back to. Used to work with RoyalBroil a lot on that stuff. Looking at taking anything to GA or anything? — Ched :  ?  00:35, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Hm, probably not - at least nothing comes to mind at the moment. I'm more the kind of editor who gnomes along making 1500- to 2000-character articles as seeds for other editors to work with. :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:36, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Yea - some of the peer review stuff can be a pain .. I remember years ago working for months finding refs, expanding, and trying to take ... ummm Daytona qualifiers or something to FL .. when one guy came in and say "too much info" .. I just kinda dropped it. Might ask you to have a look at a few things to get your opinion though down the road. Always like to have a fans input on stuff. — Ched :  ?  00:41, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Too much info? Huh. Anyway, feel free to ping me if you have stuff you want looked over! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:43, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

infoboxes are updated after qualifying

Could you show me where this is stated? Bte99 (talk) 03:08, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

• {{Latest NASCAR Cup}} borrows documentation from {{Latest F1GP}}, which says This template should be updated as soon as possible after qualifying for the weekend's race has ended.. The "races run" and "last race" parameters are updated after qualifying. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 05:30, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Gyrodyne

Re "infoboxing" lead picture - I've started a discussion at Template talk:Infobox aviation#Lead image box. DexDor (talk) 20:58, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Flaklands war SPI

• Nah... you didn't read wrongly, I spelt the header that way to catch your attention and to get your nose to sniff through WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Alex79818. ¡Ándele! ¡Ándele! ¡Arriba! ¡Arriba! ¡Epa! ¡Epa! ¡Epa! Yeehaw! --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 16:55, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Duck season! Rabbit season! Duck season! The duck is strong in this one, but I have to admit his contribution history has me confused. [1] Before, all Jewish and Spanish-related articles; now, 100% Falklands War articles. Is it possible there's a hijacked account in play? - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 20:35, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

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wanted to run something by you in case I inadvertently violated WP:OUT. Wee Curry Monster talk 21:31, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

And replied there. I don't think that's a WP:OUTING. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 21:39, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice, Pfainuk made a comment that stirred a memory. Alex tried to hijack the last GA drive unless we gave in to his editing demands. This guy is doing the same. I've added a comment with diffs. Wee Curry Monster talk 00:11, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

And thus the quacking gets louder...and with a side dish of WP:NLT? - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:13, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

• Thought I should give you the headsup here → User talk:Deskana#Help needed on SPI. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 12:58, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
  • *reads "explanation"* Facepalm I get the feeling if I blocked there'd be cries of "Foul!" by this point. Perhaps Ed might be able to weigh in? - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:49, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, best to get an uninvolved third party admin to help. The more the accused argues, the more compelling the behavioural evidence is staring in our face and mocking us! --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 00:08, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

• Indeed. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:10, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Deletion review for Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2012 March 7

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2012 March 7. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Bgarofallou (talk) 23:35, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Citations provided after verifications

• ST Aerospace A-4SU Super Skyhawk
• Hello BR, could you glance over the above and see if anything is needed to push it up a notch or two on the quality scale? Thanks heap. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 18:41, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Nice work; it's almost to B-class - I'd like to see references on the "Operators" and "Aircraft on display" sections, and I think you need to go into the Internet Archive for refs 2 and 5 as Skyhawk.org seems to be kaput - but that's all that's needed before it gets kicked up a notch. (Also that cockpit comparison bit still jars me, but to quote an old Senior Chief, that might just be me, I'm funny that way!) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 18:44, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
    • Thanks, still trying to find them but that 3 aircraft cockpits comparison photo was more for the purpose of showcasing Lockheed's role culminating in the unique TA-4S, built out of necessity to avoid having a different engined aircraft. BTW, I am an old crew chief~! --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 18:51, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
      • But do you have a sheer and utter loathing for DEMOCRATS? ;) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 18:51, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
        • As a matter of fact, YES! Gentlemen, we have an old saying in the military: "we're here to preserve democracy, not practise it~!" --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 18:58, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

• Alrighty, all done except for refs 6 & 16, could you help me with this? And hopefully, that's all that's left holding it back from going up a notch or two now. Thanks again~! --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 19:40, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
  • And that's a B! For GA some of the refs might need to be "upgraded" though, some people really squawk loudly about Baugher for instance! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 19:54, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
    • Appreciate that. Yeah, I know but Joe is good, I mean, nobody has got the kind of database he keeps! And those squawkers should really do something with their life instead of squawking and doing nothing but that. Back to the topic, do you think its time to give it a new assessment? A, perhaps? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 19:59, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
      • It'd need to go through GA first before being nomated for A-class. ;) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 20:06, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
        • Roger that, but the whalejet is calling me now. Let me know what else is needed so I can bring it up to speed later, yeah? Cheers~! --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 20:50, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Dumbfounded...

• Stefanomencarelli (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Hawker Hunter in service with Swiss Air Force (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• See above article, our friend from Italy has decided to create (IMO) an extraneous article page which I'm very much tempted to CSD, PROD or XfD. Thoughts? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 20:54, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

<delurk>Not sure what can be done but I still find it strange that the english in article submissions is far better than his talk page discussions! MilborneOne (talk) 21:07, 10 March 2012 (UTC) </delurk>

• You noticed that too, huh? Guess I'm not the only one suspecting something amiss here, something like either two different editors are using this account or he is making cut-and-paste moves from somewhere outside. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 21:12, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

• I don't think it meets the CSD criteria, but I also think it's not something we need. At all. Prods away! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 21:30, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

• Could you do the honour instead as I really don't want to be seen as stalking the author when it is clearly visible on Hawker Hunter. Besides, I have no clue how best to prod this as. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 21:41, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

• Ding. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:58, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks, another point to note since someone reminded me to avoid further misunderstanding on User talk:Dave1185#Swiss hunters, methinks MB1 and BR should proceed to Talk:Hawker Hunter in service with Swiss Air Force#PROD to discuss this and give that Italian editor a chance to finally comprehend what our primary concerns are? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 09:02, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/ASM-A-1 Tarzon

I've closed the above review because its allotted time has run out. Unfortunately your nomination was unsuccessful this time, although there are a number of suggestions on the review page that will hopefully help with the article's development. Please feel free to renominate once you believe the outstanding points have been adequately addressed, and thank you for your hard work (and an interesting read!) Best, EyeSerene^talk 12:27, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Abenyosef/Alex79818

Bushranger,

[2] I'm rapidly tiring of the personal attacks but I held my temper. I may be a cantankerous old git but I am not a liar. Cross-posted at Nick-D's talk page.

Regards Wee Curry Monster talk 21:55, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Between the deafening quacking, the tendentious arguing, and the personal attacks, enough rope has been given. Blocked. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:45, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

• Arrr... walk the plank~! --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 22:48, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, see you in 6 months when the next one pops up. BTW this is slightly creepy. [3] apparently I'm being talked about on other forums. Should I be worried? Wee Curry Monster talk 23:05, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

• Just curious, would an autoblock make a difference? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 23:09, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

• Dunno, but since it defaulted 'on', I left it that way. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:12, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Trollish IP

• 108.82.100.8 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
• Hi BR, please refer to this trollish edit/edit summary, as this IP editor is stalking me again and labelling me as a vandal. Your advice? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 18:45, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

• Update, Acroterion has blocked that IP jerk... but BR, I'm still all ears for your advice. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 19:16, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

• I think in this case the best option is WP:RBI/WP:DENY. It avoids what I call "baby cockatoo syndrome" - if you give them attention in response to their yelling, they learn that yelling = attention! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 19:37, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, I concur~! Reverted, Blocked and Ignored to the max. Cheers~! --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 19:53, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

On another note

• F16vista‎ (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• BR, you still remember that trollish IP-hopping impostor who kept stalking my edits and reverting me on several article pages? Methinks he's back as User:F16vista‎ on Chengdu J-10, his first edit made my alarm bells went off by way of his edit summary (which is his usual style of getting my attention by faking/imitating the edits of another editor) when he made reference to "cnair.top81.cn" that an earlier editor (User:Jeremy Sun) had put in, along with a large dosage of copyvios and was blocked in the end. User:F16vista has not been blocked, yet, but I suspect it to be another throw-away account, any advice on how best to deal with this or if a CU is required? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 19:33, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm. There is some quacking here, I agree...SPI time mebbie? - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 19:37, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

• FWIW, I'm pretty sure that Jeremy Sun is not F16vista but F16vista could well be that impostor. Also, another admin did emailed to me questioning about the possibility of a BLOCKED editor behind all this but its been a few years since he was blocked and banned, how's that going to help in opening an SPI? Finally, you've got mail~! --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 19:53, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

• Hmm. I'd say insufficent data on F16vista so far but definitly worth keeping an eye on, that's for sure, as there's seems to be a demonic WP:DUCK of some sort here! As for stale CUs...unless there's been a confirmed sock in the last couple months (I -think- it's 3 or 4 months) CU will be stale and thus useless, alas! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 19:58, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

• Thus, we have to apply the all-curing-ointment of WP:RBI? Oh goody, goody~! But should this guy appear again, I'll be sure to drop you a note here. Yeah? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 20:07, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

• Ignore, ignore, ignore, ignore the trolls... but sure. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 20:16, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Appealing with more TE

• User talk:Abenyosef#Updates as the review proceeds
• See above, time to lock him up and throw away the keys? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 16:55, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

I'd agree, but it's up to another admin to do it now, both because I was the original blocker and because for some reason I feel rather like Oscar this fine day! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 19:25, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Murder of Michelle Le

I've nominated it for deletion again....William 02:32, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Lafayette Escadrille (film)

Found another obscure aviation-themed film, the last by William A. Wellman, a genuine war hero who helmed the first Academy Award winning film. FWiW, take a look, I've revised it quite a bit from the previous, decidedly one-sided appraisal. Bzuk (talk) 03:22, 13 March 2012 (UTC).

Pretty cool work there! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 06:00, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Cybele class mine destructor vessel

Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:11, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Probable canvassing

BR, I received an identical post yesterday about Tawian/ROC to the one you reverted today, but from a different IP. A CU investigation might be warranted, especially if similar messages have shown up from other IPs. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 23:04, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

• Well, not surprising given that they're targeting sympathisers in their canvassing effort~! --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 23:07, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, targetting sympathizers is what makes it canvassing! ;) - BilCat (talk) 23:45, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

• Man, they really have no clue on how best to keep the tarpaulin lid closed. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 22:31, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Quack, quack?

[4] Deja vu, especially if you look at [5]. Another dormant account springing up to edit Falkland Islands topics. Am I getting paranoid? Copied to User:Nick-D. Wee Curry Monster talk 00:11, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Smells like meatpuppetry if you ask my nose. I'm especially curious though as to the date stamp on the first portion of that first diff... - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:05, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

For a lame, lame joke

	The Limper than Limp award
	I was trying to think of something that approaches the limpidity of your remark at ANI; this was the best I could come up with. Youreallycan will remove the image it it's a BLP violation. Enjoy your weekend moving forward, Bushranger. Drmies (talk) 22:50, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Sometimes I just can't help it; I really am a punny guy. ;) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:54, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

The deletion of the Hawker Hunter in service with Swiss Air Force page

• Bushranger I know you get a lot of request and comments that begin with "If you delete that page....!" This is not one of them. I am posting on your talk page to try and keep the emotions down where Stephano does read.

I will state right up front that, that page does meet policy for deletion. A lot of other pages on Wiki do also, but are not deleted -- ie and an exception does not change policy either. Stephano has really dug a big hole for himself, and is still digging. As one Wiki Essay advises "Step Away From the Carcass." he can't mainly because of his wounded sense of honor - ie while we agree he should not, he still does. He just can't do it. And worst his fixation as Dave as an enemy where there was one has made him one. But I worked with him on a few pages that involved Italian weapons and he was extremely helpful. What ever his faults he is good in his field. He left me a message and I read the Talk:Hawker Hunter. I told him in the beginning he would not like my advise. I advised him to do one or two things (I would have advised him to step away but I knew that was not a starter): 1> To take down a lot of his entries on the Hunter page and re-enter it slowly so where editors good in English and Aviation could look it over and offer recommendation. Maybe a small paragraph once a week or twice a month. 2> I did not know he started it but to post the info on a Swiss AF page or Hunter in Swiss Service page. The Swiss have a habit of buying combat aircraft and keeping them in service longer than the country that designed and built them does -- eg the /DH Venom fighter/bomber. He took the second option to the bank.

And if that page is deleted NOW or real soon it will be more than rubbing salt in his wounded honor, but to him it will be acid. Could the other administrators consider put off deleting that page for several months (I will even enter it in my calender and inform you when times up) or else merge the information that has reliable citations to the Hunter article? I know Wiki is not a hospital or the UN. But I honestly don't see the harm in allowing that page to exist a few more months. Although when I first came to Wiki I was Wiki-Stupid and have not advanced very far since then. I will even do hard search on Swiss Hunters and finds some reliable citation. GAWD, knows I do enough for other articles that have nil or no citations -- ie recently the Martin P6M SeaMaster page and Martin's attempt to market a civilian version called the SeaMistree. Why? Only a Martian could explain. In addition I would like to comment on Dave in this affair. He tried to help and talk Stephano back off this one way ladder he has climbed up. He is to be commended on this issue. He really tried and I am making one last attempt. I sent Stephano the essay Wikipedia:No angry mastodons but I don't know if he read it.

Finally, thanks for taking the time to read this long message. But if you consider I have no business in this discussion, say so and that will be the last message I post anywhere on Wiki on this subject. Jack E. Hammond --Jackehammond (talk) 05:01, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Well I see that someone (not Stephano) has removed the prod from the article.Nigel Ish (talk) 20:14, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

As long as somebody belives the article can be improved to meet policy, I have no problem with deprodding. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 20:59, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Reverted, consensus is not there. Besides, the article still fails WP:POVFORK and WP:SPINOFF. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 21:46, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• True - but once the prod has been removed, it cannot be restored; it has to be taken to a full AfD. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 21:47, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Oui, it is done~! See WP:Articles for deletion/Hawker Hunter in service with Swiss Air Force‎ to comment. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 22:04, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Please read also User talk:Abhijay#Violation of interaction BAN. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 22:07, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• As a courtesy message, I've left it as politely as possible but he only respond after I threaten him with ANI. A word from you would be nice to balance out my outburst and lastly FWIW, I'm done talking to the self-righteous/sanctimonious whining jerk. Paraphrasing a line from the Hunt for Red October, "Conn, aye. All right, Ryan, we just unzipped our fly. Mr. Thompson! Open the outer doors, firing point procedures. Now if that bastard so much as twitches, I'm going to blow him straight to Mars." Best and out. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 00:36, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

• Oi vey. F-5 big and mean? Not quite convincing... - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:30, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

• Indeed. I don't know jack about F-5s. I also don't know the ins and outs on interaction bans, so let me ask the obvious: Dave, ahem, why the hell did you leave that note (which you may call polite if you like) on his talk page? Why not run to the first admin you see, like me or Bushranger? Sure, I think they violated something (though I don't know the exact terms of the ban) at F-5, but your leaving a note doesn't help matters--and now they're on my talk page. Bushranger, fo shizzle, what's to be done here? Drmies (talk) 02:08, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

• For the record, this Indian boy is a troll or was trolling for fire (BR, this reminds me of OH-6 flying low deliberately to draw for enemy fire), look at his comment and you'll see. Note that I have a very low tolerance for trolls and vandal, so as such I have been the target of such imbeciles from the start of my wiki-career. BR is well aware and can vouch for me that I have a secret-admirer/stalker/impostor out there who would actually stalk and harass those editor(s) who harass me while imposting as me, what I'm doing is nothing less than trying to deflect that from the Indian boy should he carry on with harassing me and then getting that secret-admirer/stalker/impostor to latch on his tail instead. Yes, I may have been a wee bit mad at that moment when I commented to him but I'm not stupid. Him, on the other hand, is just plain stupid for going down that path until eventually that secret-admirer/stalker/impostor reacts to him. What are we to do then? Lastly, the Indian boy had actually picked a very convenient date (end of our one month mutual interaction ban) to revert my edit so I'm fully entitled to be mad at him for being an moronic/insensitive jerk, especially at the condescending tone in his edit summary during that particular revert. Tell me now, does it take two hands or one to clap? In honour of that interaction ban, I've stayed away from him for one whole month (to the letter and the spirit of the law that requires of me but he did so only to the letter) and yet at the end of it, he has the galls to come pick on my edit? Come on, how oxymoron can that be that he is indeed trolling by all account? And both times, he goes to ANI, he doesn't have the courtesy to post an ANI-notice on my page, tell me now if that is not trolling? Forgetting twice? How convenient for an excuse, the nerve of this boy. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 11:45, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

• Dave, let's think about this. The community is out of patience with both of you. You may be in the right – I don't really care. But you're both going to be blocked if you both continue down this path. Stay high in the sky and don't partake in the fighting; if he's as bad as you say, he'll run out of rope soonish. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 11:50, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

• To set the record straight, I've stopped posting on his talk page (and avoided his crap on ANI) but he's sancitmonious one carrying on with his whining at ANI and we both get blocked? Seriously, I beg to differ... the radar is not supposed to lock on a threat that is travelling away and another closing in fast, both at the same time. Don't you think so? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 11:57, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Lafayette Escadrille (film) and Men with Wings connection

What a rotten film to end an illustrious career, no wonder William Wellman was so incensed at the cavalier treatment dolled out by Jack L. Warner in re-editing and re-staging Lafayette Escadrille (film), from a man he personally detested. FWiW, however, I was suitably inspired to rewrite the article as it was a mess, and had no reference sources to back up any of the odd claims made about Wellman.

Found a much better film by Wellman, Men with Wings. Check it out. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 17:43, 15 March 2012 (UTC).

I'm going to kill my bank account buying movies, I think. Nice work! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 21:00, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Hey BR, what do you think the Cloud storage is for? I buy one and share it with you while you buy another and share with me. Win-win situation, eh? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 11:53, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

• Clouds? I try to keep myself flying VFR! ;) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 18:01, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

What

...does "one ping only" mean? 28bytes (talk) 18:41, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

My guess is a quote of the movie The Hunt for Red October (film), but I could be wrong. — Ched :  ?  19:22, 17 March 2012 (UTC) (do I get bonus points if I'm right though?)

• Captain Ramius: Re-verify our range to target... one ping only.
• Capt. Vasili Borodin: Captain, I - I - I just...
• Captain Ramius: Give me a ping, Vasili. One ping only, please.
• Capt. Vasili Borodin: Aye, Captain.

from imdb quotes. and ok .. I happened to love the movie (and book). — Ched :  ?  19:26, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

LOL, don't know why I didn't just Google it first. Any truth to the rumors George Lucas was going to buy the rights to the film and CGI in Harrison Ford to replace Alec Baldwin? 28bytes (talk) 19:31, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Baldwin was the only actor to play Jack Ryan who actually fit the role, I thought! But yes, it's Red October, and the book was much better than the film (not that the film was anything but good, but that stock footage...!) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 20:04, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, the stock footage was kind of oddly added in. :P Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 20:55, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

What about the rumor that Alec Baldwin is going to buy the rights to the movie, and CGI in himself to replace Sean Connery and James Earl Jones? - BilCat (talk) 00:27, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Just as long as they don't CGI in Ben Affleck! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:28, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Ugh!!! ;) - BilCat (talk) 00:37, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

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• Kinda late but what the heck... PING~! --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 18:23, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Photo of Michael Stroukoff you provided

Greetings,

I'm curious about the origin of the photo posted in the article about Michael Stroukoff Sr., my father. In all honesty, I don't think it actually is a picture of him. I'm a newbie here, and am not sure how to upload a copy of a known portrait of him. Here is a link to the image on Ancestry.com

http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/8912076/person/-876547621/media/1?pgnum=1&pg=0&pgpl=pid%7cpgNum

If nothing else, it's a significantly better image of him; it's a portrait from the 1950's.

Regards,

Ann Stroukoff McGady MamaAnnie828 (talk) 09:38, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunatly, I can't see your link; I don't remember how I found the photo (likely just Google Images...) originally. In order to upload the image, what you do is click here, and then upload the image from your computer to Wikipedia. Is it a free image? If not, copyright information needs to be included for fair use, but I can help with that if you need it. :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 18:12, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Peer review needed

• Care to provide some inputs for improvement on Python (missile)? Thanks~! --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 23:15, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
  • I'll take a gander at it in the morning when I haven't been up for 15 hours after two hours sleep! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 04:50, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
    • Rogereeny. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 09:02, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
      • Hmmm, well, one thing I'd suggest is better citations all around - there's a lot of 'B-list' sources in there! Didn't realise the PL-8 was a Python clone though, intriguing! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 05:55, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
        • That said, should we make it a C-class or it is to remain as a Start-class? BTW, how on earth that you're not aware of the PL-8 story... frankly, that had us worried quite a bit when it was first made known that PRC had inducted it into opertional service. As for the cites, I'll get back to them after I return from my vacation. Thoughts? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 15:04, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
          • At the time P-51s and F-15s still fascinated me instead of the "weird stuff" I like now! ;) And I'd call it 'start' still for now - more refs needed, and some more prose on operational use and such would be good. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 17:00, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
            • Headache... the more I look at Romania, the more I'm inclined to remove it from the list of operators as the claim that the MiG-21 Lancer upgrade has cleared it to carry the Python-3 but it did not necessarily mean that the Israelis supplied any to the Romanians. IIRC, the Romanians don't even have any BVRAAM, much less the Python. Thoughts? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 17:57, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
              • If the missile cannot fit, you must... *ahem* If there aren't any reliable sources that say missiles were actually delivered - as opposed to the LanceRs receiving the perrerenially popular "fitted for but not with" treatment! - then it's gotta go! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 18:00, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
                • Right, I'm removing it now. And I'm sure someone (Flayer) is going to raise hell with me again... --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 18:23, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
                  • Reliable Sources at dawn, gentlemen! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 18:24, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

User_talk:Abenyosef#New_unblock_request

Hi Bushranger, um as a regular person who comments on unblock requests, Care to come to this discussion? While I only know that there has been a WP:SPI investigation (according to the talk page), It appears that the operator of this account is persistently wasting the time against others. Again, care to come? Because , I've done by bit of Non-Admin observations. Abhijay ^{What did I do this time?} 11:22, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm a bit too involved in that to comment too much, being the original blocker, aside to stand by my position. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 05:53, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for David Mayhew (racing driver)

The DYK project (nominate) 16:18, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Extra pair of eyes needed

• See 1961 Indian annexation of Goa (incidentally a favourite haunt of the not-so-great-one-but-got-banned-anyway), this XavierGreen returns to WP:CPUSH about his so-called violation of NPOV for the article page name when we've already discussed it umpteen times on the talk page. Some people just refuse to get the point that there is no consensus~! *sigh...* --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 16:45, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Facepalm - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 05:57, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
    • Supreme facepalm of destiny... --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 15:24, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

For your earlier effort and peer review

		The Singapore Barnstar of National Merit
		Honestly, I really appreciate you helping me to update the article page of ST Aerospace A-4SU Super Skyhawk, thanks~! --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 15:46, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks! The Scooter's one of the few "mainstream" aircraft I enjoy. ;) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 17:01, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

• Also, I'm still trying to locate a reliable source to add the following line into McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II (which is a featured article!): "June 2， 1972 / Col. Phil "Hands" Handley, USAF (Ret.) / USAF F-4E Phantom-II vs VPAF MiG-19 Farmer / First & only recorded supersonic guns kill at an indicated airspeed of Mach 1.2" Curious, can we use his book "Nickel On The Grass" as a reference? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 22:13, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

• Aha~! Found it here... so, do you have some bright idea on how to proceed with this? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 22:16, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

• Hmmm. Unfortunatly Handley's book would not be a WP:RS, I don't think - thje publisher (iUniverse) is a self publishing service. The second link though, being from the U.S. Air Force Public Affairs Agency, is a WP:RS - so ta-dah! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:51, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Bomber's Moon

A very forgettable 1943 film based on a bomber pilot; also check out Yellow Canary (film), which has a peripheral aviation connection. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 23:45, 22 March 2012 (UTC).

Huh. Those are pretty cool! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:50, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Quacky new User

G'day, my Ryan Radar is painting a fairly strong return from this guy. What d'you reckon? YSSYguy (talk) 04:59, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

My trained Ryan detector bloodhound (patent pending) has detected a strong scent. After looking at the crash article's edit history and the edits themselves, I'd say there are three Ryan socks listed before Petebutt PRODed the article. YSSYguy (talk) 05:18, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Yeeeeeeeep. Ryan senses...tingling! With great power comes great SPIs. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 05:57, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXII, March 2012

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User script listing cleanup project

I'm leaving this message for known script authors, recent contributors to Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts, and those who've shown interest in user scripts.

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Appointment in London

Found another obscure British aviation film from 1952, centered on the exploits of RAF Lancasters, as well as a tepid love story thrown in. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 20:05, 25 March 2012 (UTC).

Volcanoes by geological period - category rename

Please would you read my comments at Category talk:Volcanoes by geological period about a recent rename of that category. I'd appreciate any clarification you can give. GeoWriter (talk) 14:36, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

The Flying Fleet

The Flying Fleet, the first film written by prolific screenwriter, Frank "Sprig" Wead, is a 1929 silent film that features the "Three Sea Hawks" flying team. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 01:48, 28 March 2012 (UTC).

Those were the days! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:58, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Darn that TCM

Saw Bombers B-52 last night, needed to expand that so-so article. FWiW, the "first" screen role for long-in-tooth Efram Zimbalist Jr. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 18:27, 29 March 2012 (UTC).

Heh...I've had that happen to me too. Always good to see the old Stratofort! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 18:30, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Categories, sub-categories

"I don't need no stinkin' sub-categories" (apologies to John Huston and bunch); is there a hard-and-fast rule about the use of these categories? I always thought the main category was more important than a sub-category. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 23:08, 29 March 2012 (UTC).

• • "Better not come any closer!" According to WP:CAT, "Each article should be placed in all of the most specific categories to which it logically belongs. This means that if a page belongs to a subcategory of C (or a subcategory of a subcategory of C, and so on) then it is not normally placed directly into C." (emphasis in original). Sometimes there are exceptions of course! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:12, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Re: Category:Formula Two entrants

Thanks for the heads-up. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 02:29, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

No problemo! :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:30, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tony Savo

Thought you'd like to know, regarding your close of the AfD... The reason that there is no mention of Tony Savo in the Coalition Fight Music article is because Tony Savo's stage name is "Statecyde"... Statecyde is mentioned as being a member Coalition Fight Music#In MMA and is also interviewed in Reference 11. Shearonink (talk) 06:49, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Ahh, thanks for clearing that up. :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 08:47, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for The Flying Fleet

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

WikiCup 2012 March newsletter

We are over half way through the second round of this year's WikiCup and things are going well! Grapple X (submissions), of Pool B, is our highest overall scorer thanks to his prolific writings on television and film. In second place is Pool H's Cwmhiraeth (submissions), thanks primarily to work on biological articles, especially in marine biology and herpetology. Third place goes to Pool E's Casliber (submissions), who also writes primarily on biology (including ornithology and botany) and has already submitted two featured articles this round. Of the 63 contestants remaining, 15 (just under a quarter) have over 100 points this round. However, 25 are yet to score. Please remember to update your submission pages promptly. 32 contestants, the top two from each pool and the 16 next-highest scorers, will advance to round 3.

Congratulations to Matthewedwards (submissions), whose impressive File:Wacht am Rhein map (Opaque).svg became the competition's first featured picture. Also, congratulations to 12george1 (submissions), who claimed good topic points, our first contestant this year to do so, for his work on Wikipedia:Featured topics/1982 Atlantic hurricane season. This leaves featured topics and featured portals as the only sources of points not yet utilised. However, as recent statistics from Miyagawa (submissions) show, no source has yet been utilised this competition to the same extent it has been previously!

It has been observed that the backlogs at good article candidates are building up again. While the points for good article reviews will be remaining constant, any help that can be offered keeping the backlog down would be appreciated. On a related note, if you are concerned that your nomination, be it at good article candidates, a featured process or anywhere else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) 23:29, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your attention. History2007 (talk) 10:34, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

No problem. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 10:38, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Put on your hat and wave your wand

• User:Alarics‎
• User talk:Alarics‎
• Persistent vandalism on the above, you help is needed to counter the disruptive antics of a BANNED editor (high probability of link to User:ColourWolf), possibly requiring a semi-protection while we sort out if a range block is needed to stop this nonsense. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 10:35, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Advada semiprotecta! Looks to me like rangeblocking is needed, but right now what I need is a sleep spell! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 10:39, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
    • Thanks, already on AIV and pending result. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 10:41, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
      • All good. And now, with another set of socks tossed in the dryer, I must...now...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 10:43, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
        • Sleep well, you've earned it~! --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 10:47, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

• Thank you both -- Alarics (talk) 14:14, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

• No problemo, do you want to put up a case to make some rangeblocks? That idiot can be really annoying, you know? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 17:18, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

• True - but I honestly have no idea how rangeblocks are done (and less of how broad would be appropriate). All those numbers you know! ;) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 21:03, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

• Forget about them numbers, we need to go on the alert for mental defects on Falklands War-related articles soon, really don't want to stress out WCM if he can't handle it alone later. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 00:25, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

• Ayup. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:28, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Modest Barnstar
	Thank you for taking part in the March 2012 Move to Commons Drive. We made good progress! Cloudbound (talk) 21:37, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 21:38, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Duck patrol

• I thought you had just closed the ryan sock draw, has this escaped? MilborneOne (talk) 11:25, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
• I thought this would come up with me. I was warned about him before. I am not him before you strat if you have any issus with my work plaese tell me and I will make any changes. Thnak you.MArckbigone (talk) 11:25, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Funny thing is, Ryan socks always say that. We'll run a SPI to determine one way or the other. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 20:56, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
  • SPI result returned. Surprise level: zero. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 21:30, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the bag and tag, as Ryan is self declaring on your talk page perhaps we can suggest he tags himself as a sockpuppet and raises his own SPI report to save us some effort. MilborneOne (talk) 11:48, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
      • Talk about running half-way out to meet... nevermind, whatever floats his boat. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 11:58, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

April 2012

Which my words in the nature of the attack? Esc2003 (talk) 08:30, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm probably going out on a limb here, but I'd assume they were the ones ostensibly directing the nominator to a gas chamber. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 08:37, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Exactamundo. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:55, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Userfy

Could I get a userfied version of the articles from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Usage share of browser color depth and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Usage share of browser display resolutions? Thanks.Smallman12q (talk) 23:19, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Sure thing. They're now here and here. :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:24, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

That was surprisingly fast. Ty!Smallman12q (talk) 23:24, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much

Thank you very much for fixing broken bits and put correctly formatting NASCAR result table in the Nelson Piquet Jr page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.216.246.4 (talk) 08:59, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

No problem, glad to help out! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 09:01, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Ducks, quacking

I've been trying to avoid posting on the dramah boards lately, but if you need help with that Cat Creek goofball, well, I am a fourth-generation Montanan, and even lived in the eastern part of the state for awhile, let me know if you need more helpers, I can say with quite a bit of assurance that it is a hoax. Montanabw^(talk) 01:26, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I've always been a bit of a naturalist and figured that if Peterson, Audubon and Kaufman all said no lions, there were no lions, but it's good to hear from the monster on the spot. Between protection of the page and SPIing, I think the ducks will all be duck soup. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 09:11, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

• Man, I'm wondering now when the cuckolds will start popping up. (PS:I'm back from my one week vacation!) --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 09:46, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

• At least it wasn't a three hour tour... - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 09:47, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

• Wait a sec... how did you know that I was on an island? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 10:05, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

• Just because you can't be one doesn't mean you can't be on one! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 10:07, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
• Alrighty... --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 01:06, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Cat Creek, Montana

Really? Isn't it possible that the "lion" story isn't a hoax? The editor in question seems to have some actual background about the town and its history. Then again, I could be wrong here. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 15:20, 1 April 2012 (UTC).

Nope, there is zero chance that there are any lions in Montana that don't have the prefix "mountain" to their name. There are precisely zero reputable sources for such a thing. It might be worth mentioning that there's a local legend regarding the presence of Panthera leo vis-a-vis Puma concolor, but to claim, repeatedly, that the King of Beasts is holding court when not one reputable source says so...nnnnnnnope. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 20:54, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

After reading some of the histories of Montana today and even delving into the back story of Cat Creek, I have yet to find any mention of the "lions" but all kinds of information about mountain lions. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 23:02, 1 April 2012 (UTC).

Yup, there's plenty of cougars around those parts, and I'm not lion. Thank you, thank you, do try the veal... - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:06, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

(Rimshot) Take a look at the article now, after I've done my usual "plinkin' away". How about this for a DYK, the Catcreek find was the first commercially successful oil discovery in Montana and produced oil so rich that farmers actually scooped the oil off a coulee where it was initially stored and was used to run their tractors and Model Ts. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 23:43, 1 April 2012 (UTC).

Hmmm, nice work! That might work well... - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:24, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Lions, shmions, now I found a connection to the Teapot Dome Scandal; look up Albert Bacon Fall, a scalawag of the first order who had a hand in the Cat Creek shenanigans. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 02:06, 2 April 2012 (UTC).

OK, that is pretty nifty! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:05, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

LOL! Good fun folks, thanks for the inspiring humor! (And yes, we do have mountain lions...) Montanabw^(talk) 01:25, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Check out Cat Creek, Montana now. I found some more sources to develop the article, even a public domain image of the Tar paper shack city in the 1920s that dotted the oil field. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 21:39, 3 April 2012 (UTC).

Awesome! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:20, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Category:Pre-Contact Hawaiian royalty

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_March_14#Category:Pre-Contact_Hawaiian_royalty. – Fayenatic L (talk) 07:12, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Ping... – Fayenatic L (talk) 08:00, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Jakarta/gambir

Interesting to see your response (!) - they are parts of gambir, and should go back to that, not Jakarta - cheers SatuSuro 10:24, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, from looking at Google Maps, they appear to be part of both? - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 19:14, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

the stubs are for the lowest level (ie compnent parts of gambir), the actual locality gambir is the proper home for the info, gambir is one of the many component parts of jakarta...SatuSuro 03:12, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Ahh, I see - I'll edit! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:15, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Eastern Airlines Flight 605 crash

was made into an article by a sockpuppet[6] of banned user Ryan Kirkpatrick. Could I possibly get a copy of Ryan's, so I can turn it into an article? His preliminary work will save me having to do a lot of composing. My email is WilliamJE-at-aol.com....William 12:43, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Consider it done! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 19:14, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Here we go again...

• See WP:ANI#User: Dave1185, he just won't quit it even when I'm gone for my vacation and now that I'm back, he's at it again~! Talk about WP:Competency is required... --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 12:13, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Ai yi yi... - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:56, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

• Sorry to trouble you again, please help to semi-protect the page of Military of Cameroon due to persistent vandalism (addition of hoax and highly-inflated figures) from anon IPs, another Admin had meant to protect it for a month but for some strange reason became a single-day event instead. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 00:25, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Consider it done! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:26, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
    • Thank you~! --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 01:02, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

• And another one, User talk:Wee Curry Monster needs to be semi-protected for 1 week to prevent further mischief by anon IP driving-by and accusing a British patriot of having pro-Argies agenda when we are clearly not. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 14:58, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Ahh, sorry I missed this one. Looks like things have calmed down (for now) though... - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:11, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

User Amarru

Hello Sir

I suspect that the user "Amarru" is a sockpuppet (double profile) because he is behind the same false edits and vandalism in threads concerning Spanish football (especially the thread called "Football records in Spain") The sock puppet I am referring to is a now banned user RealCowboys.

The user might also be another editor who got blocked twice whose latest username was Seaboy123.

If you could check his IP address I would be thankful. If it is not the same person I apologize and ignore this post.

Thank you.

--Suitcivil133 (talk) 23:48, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, thanks for the heads-up. I've looked over the contribution history of all three editors, and while there are some similarities in editing style and subject, there's just enough differences that I can't declare any to be WP:DUCKs. Checking IPs and such has to be done by those with more tools than me, though - I believe there's enough of a connection here though that I'll open an SPI. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:58, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Yes, after seeing his vandalism in the "Football records in Spanish football" thread I am inclined to conclude that he resembles the banned user Seaboy123 more considering the fact that RealCowboys has had 2 accounts banned, one of them recently. So you might be spot on. I also saw his profile where he wrote "Dead man walking" - maybe that is a reference to him being a sockpuppet.--Suitcivil133 (talk) 21:08, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Hello Bushranger;)

Do you know how the situation looks like regarding the user Amarru? He is still deleting the same correct information and was recently blocked for 24 hours. Was it ever found out it he was a sockpuppet or not?

Thank you.--Suitcivil133 (talk) 00:22, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Procedural admin question for you

In looking at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Voltage (Skrillex album) (3rd nomination), which was started on 27 March and should have been closed by now, it looks like the nominator didn't list it properly and it doesn't appear on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, which might explain why it hasn't been closed. It is also the first nom, not the third, despite the title. It was nominated for WP:PROD twice before, which confused things. The case is an open-and-shut WP:CRYSTAL one which all comments added are to delete it. How do we fix the procedural problems here? - Ahunt (talk) 15:07, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Ouch, that's a pretty malformed deletion attempt by the nom. It is pretty open-and-shut and has consensus so far, but the fact it was not transcluded to the log means that it needs to be relisted, and run for another week. I'll get right on that - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:02, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing that. It all seems to have been well-intended, but just poorly carried out! - Ahunt (talk) 23:35, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Indeed. And no prob! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:36, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi

Hey Bush, I'm not sure the word "apology" is the word I'm looking for here, but I did want to comment on my recent view on an ANI thread. (KW block). To be honest, it's a very VERY rare time that I don't fully agree with either your or Salvio's views individually, the fact that I disagreed with BOTH of you in the same thread absolutely astounds me. I do completely understand your (collective) thoughts on the matter, it's just that I don't agree in this case. I'll also admit I'm not surprised by the action either. In fact, I fully expected to see strong support from the community - and that does indeed appear to be the case at this time. As I mentioned, I can't actually apologize for my views because it's simply the way I think on the matter, but I am at a loss for words at having to disagree with you. I hope you won't hold that against me, as I certainly don't have any disrespect for either one of you. To be honest, when I read through that cat. rename discussion, I was surprised at KW's behavior there. I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say "disruption", but I was surprised to see him posting in what I viewed to be a rather childish fashion. (the posts, not him as a person). I'd think it reflects more on him than on any of other people in that thread. Anyway - it's a very rare thing indeed to disagree with you, and I did want to note that. Cheers to all. — Ched :  ?  16:15, 5 April 2012 (UTC) (PS - I'm going to drop a link to this post at Salvio's as well since I mentioned him)

There's no worries here! :) Nothing held against you at all, it's all cool. Sometimes even people we think the most alike with disagree, and sometimes strenously - and that's a good thing. Life would be boring if we all thought alike, after all, and both holding a position and sticking to it is something worthy of respecting! So, like I said, no worries a'tall and hopefully the editing will be easy and vandal free! :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:59, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Great. I was pretty sure it was that way, but just wanted to check. Hey - I have a few things I'd like to get done (yea, time I got back to editing). You enjoy the old history of NASCAR at all? Stuff like User:Ched Davis/1954 in NASCAR.? There's still a few years missing in that group. (they redirect to current series right now). I like to edit with other folks rather than just doing stuff on my own is why I'm asking. Just curious. — Ched :  ?  00:20, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Well I do find things like that quite intriguing, but I lack any sort of sources at all on Ye Olde Stuff, alas! (I'm pretty sure the title for when you move it into articlespace should be 1954 NASCAR Grand National Series just fyi ;) ) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:12, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

I'll double-check on that before I move it out. User:Royalbroil used to be very up on that stuff - not sure if he still is. Great guy, but I haven't talked to him in a while. Need to drop by his page to say hi - would be a good excuse to visit. — Ched :  ?  23:46, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

MilHist contest article

Hi there, saw your comment and I've returned the assessment to B -- I've never known a case where images were mandatory; the infobox should satisfy the supporting materials criterion. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 23:18, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

It occured to me I might should comment there in case somebody asked about the discrepency - thanks for the check. :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:44, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Only a hunch...

...but this edit has popped up on my Watchlist. The article was created by Ryan and the User name has my Ryan sense tingling. Let's see what other edits this new User makes eh? YSSYguy (talk) 06:22, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Yeeeeep, just the username there has the Ryan-senses quacking. Eyes on it! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:20, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

He's off and running; there's now no doubt in my mind that it's him. I particularly like this edit where he 'fixes' a mistake by making another one. Gotta admire his work! YSSYguy (talk) 14:27, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Quack, quack! A duck in time for Easter to be served with orange sauce. Sometimes you have to wonder why these mad-bomber sockpuppetteers don't put half the effort into "straightening up and flying right" as they do into their evasive ways! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:00, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Mikey Kile

Orlady (talk) 00:03, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Operation Wagonwheel: Why did you create a bad link?

Operation Wagonwheel is still a highly classified US Govt operation. All that can be said is it was a multi-agency, international anti-drug interdiction operation. Either make the article or pull the bad link. - el jefe — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.130.233.20 (talk) 23:14, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Please read WP:REDLINK. It is not a 'bad link', it is a yet-to-be-written article, and redlinks are desirable because they encourage people to write the article. As for it being "highly classified", Wikipedia has quite a few articles on "black projects". - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:16, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Category:Dinosaurs in television documentaries

Was that nomination to split them into both categories or to split them into one or the other? The nomination says 'and' but I think you meant 'or'. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:56, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

It's meant to be split with some into one and some into the other. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:57, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Bubble Houses (Hobe Sound, Florida)

Victuallers (talk) 00:02, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Cat Creek, Montana

Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:04, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Malta Story

Found another aviation-themed film, notable in the blending of archival and on-location shooting to make a credible Second World War-era epic. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 18:17, 8 April 2012 (UTC).

Hmm, that certainly looks like something I need to add to the to-watch list! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 18:18, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Check it out now, a lost gem that actually involved Malta and many of its inhabitants in recreating the monumental 1942 attacks. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 02:00, 10 April 2012 (UTC).

Nifty! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 14:27, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Chanakyathegreat

Is this yet worthy of a long-term abuse case? Calabe1992 01:30, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

It seems like it might. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:42, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, well, another confirmed match. Since I've never dealt with it, how would a case like this go about being developed? Calabe1992 16:27, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Time to break out the orange sauce. And honestly I have no idea either, never built up one before - although there is another Skywalker, I mean, another case I'm familiar with that should probably be LTA'd too... - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 16:31, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Geez! Chanaky is nothing compared to that. I'll take a look at the long-term abuse cases and see what is happening. Calabe1992 16:33, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Hen houses

Here's some the radar laid earlier!

Just a note to say thanks for copy editing the articles I started on the Soviet radar stations at Balkhash and Olenegorsk, and thanks for nominating them for WP:DYK. I've been producing a few of these over Easter - another 5 Hen Houser is Mishelevka Radar Station. It's great when people edit your work as it seems that a lot of my Soviet early warning articles never get looked at by anyone else :) I'll copy across some of your amendments to the other articles (as appropriate) and remind myself to add in NATO codenames.. Secretlondon (talk) 23:04, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Bawk-bawk! Glad to help out, it's good to see more articles on these rather obscure subjects (they tend to be some of my favourites!), keep up the good work. :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:33, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Now for something completely odd, The Adventures of Tartu

One of Robert Donat's few wartime films; it features an unusual use of a captured wartime Junkers Ju 88 bomber, enlisted as a "reel" star, possibly the only time this ever happened in the Second World War. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 00:48, 11 April 2012 (UTC).

Fascinating! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:24, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

No. 1426 Flight RAF operated both the JU 88 and Bf 110 seen in the film during that period. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 13:12, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Please tell the reason

I was shocked to find in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dave1185/Archive_5 that you were doubting me as a sock of User:Chanakyathegreat....What was the reason for your suspicion?...Is it the page Future of the Indian navy which I then created?..If it is, then I would like to tell you that,when I created the article, I had no idea about Chanakya or anything else.As there was a page Future of the Indian Air Force, I wanted to create a page for Navy too.Morever, I was a newbie then!... Please notify me on my talk Regards Srikar Kashyap (talk) 08:29, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

There's some articles where, regretfully, Chanya's tainted them to the point that any new editor who appears working on them has to be regarded with suspicision as one of his socks. =/ - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 14:27, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

• Supreme facepalm of destiny... More raised eyebrows with this latest out of field shout out. "Conn, Sonar, reassigning Sierra-26 as Master-17. She's cavitating~!" --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 23:54, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

• I figure the repeated SPIs would have gotten a ping at some point though. Barring a Crazy Ivan! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:00, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

• All stop! Quick quiet! --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 00:20, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

• yeah, I agree with you.Chanakya vandalized almost all the articles related to Military of India.So if any user (inc Me) tries to edit the articles or gets into an argument with someone..they appear like a sockpuppet.But, that's not my fault!.As I said, I was a newbie and was unaware of "the one who is not so great" or anyone else.Recently, I am not getting involved in any of those arguments or articles.Even if I want to edit anything related to Indian Armed Forces, I prefer to discuss it in the talk rather than editing myself and getting into suspicions like this!..Never mind my English!.;).....Please notify on my talk Regards..Really...its Srikar Kashyap (talk) 06:54, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• Well, as long as you're here to help build the encyclopedia, it's all good. :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 06:56, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• So you no longer suspect that I'm a sock puppet of him?...Srikar Kashyap (talk) 06:58, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• I'd say that given your apparent commitment to the Wiki and (speaking honestly) that you haven't been turned up in any of the many SPIs that have been run seeking Chanya's sleepers since that original post, that I'm willing to extend the benifit of the doubt, yes. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:01, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• Whatever but you still seem to have atleast a little doubt right? How can I prove my innocence?...Srikar Kashyap (talk) 07:03, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• Time and continued good edits. :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:03, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• Morever, if I was a sockpuppet of him, I wouldn't come directly to the talk of an admin and demand reason right?..Common Sense!..;).:P..Srikar Kashyap (talk) 07:04, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• Unfortunatly, too many proven socks in the past have done exactly that...! The best way to establish your lack of sockiness is to be a continued good-faith, good-content editor who doesn't get into the same type of arguments the one who caused all the trouble got into. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:05, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• Thank God...A bit of relief...my heart was throbbing at a very fast rate after I saw your suspicion the other day....Now, I can edit atleast, a bit more freely....:D..Srikar Kashyap (talk) 07:07, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• yeah, I better not do that!....So far, I got into two arguments...one with User:Woe90i over Great Power and other with hopping IPs' of Pakistan over comparable aircraft of Su-30MKI.........Srikar Kashyap (talk) 07:09, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• Great Power and tossing out accusations of racism over same was one of Chanya's hallmarks. So I'd be cautious editing there. Anyway, good luck on your editing of Wikipedia! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:11, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• Honestly speaking, I didn't knew that when I got into that arguments...Thanks for the info..I better be careful when I edit those "hallmark" pages in the future....Srikar Kashyap (talk) 07:13, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Balance

In the interest of balance it would seem fair that you post a similar warning on BHG's page for her multiple instances of incivility. Sorry? Oh, I see. Ericoides (talk) 18:42, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

If I'd seen any, I would, but she wasn't the one referring to another editor as "miss bossy boots" (incivil and sexist at the same time, too...) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 18:51, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, of course. Please note I called her "bossy boots", which – although clearly incivil – has no sexist overtones[7][8]. The "miss" (and presumably, therefore, the sexism) is all yours. How telling... Where I come from we'd call that a Freudian slip. That you, despite popping up wherever she makes an "acidulous" comment in these discussions – I'd list these, but really I have better things to do with my time – can't see her incivility on most of the Old Fooian threads, whilst another distinguished editor can, says everything we need to know, and surely justifies that other incivil remark I made. But please do carry on, as you are both the ones who rule this little place. Ericoides (talk) 14:40, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm flattered to be another distinguished editor. (I sympathize with your withdrawing from those discussions, Ericoides, I have almost done the same. Something has gone wrong there, they all seem to have a foregone conclusion.) BHG is not the rudest of all admins, but in my view she can't bear opposition and pursues points too ferociously. Also (as someone put it) she is one of those who can't see her opponent drowning in a swamp without jumping in after him with a knife. Moonraker (talk) 15:12, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

OK, there was no "miss", and I apologise for misremembering the exact words, but just "bossy boots" is sexist by itself...as it isn't something you'd have said to a male opponent, yes? Anyway, it's obvious that we unfortunatly have opposite opinions on this issue and on what constitutes personal attacks/incivility vs. frustration, but it might be best if we just agree to disagree here. However, I will point out that even if BHG's comments were/are (depending on your point of view) uncivil, "tit for tat" incivility is never justified. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 17:56, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

I appreciate the semi-apology, thanks. 1. We do not have opposite opinions on what constitutes incivility; I have admitted I was incivil to our incivil crusader colleague, indeed it was my intention. It pained me to do so as I find her manner appalling, but I apologised to her shortly afterwards, as I'm by and large a polite sort of chap. 2. You should really also have the good grace to admit that you were wrong to throw the tremendously incivil term "sexist" around, something to which I take great exception. To use the Google results so beloved of our chum as a means of settling things, the phrase "he is a bossy boots" is used 12,400 times (or 3 pages worth, as there's lots of duplication), while the phrase "she is a bossy boots" is used 14,600 times (or 3 pages worth, as there's lots of duplication). Moreover, the dictionaries I've cited make no mention of it being a gendered expression. And I'd certainly call a man a "bossy boots" if he behaved like our colleague in that hilarious exchange linked to above by Moonraker (don't you think her head might actually explode if she carries on for much longer like that?). As a result, I'm not sure what your point is, apart from not wishing to admit you were doubly wrong and clutching at non-existent and frankly offensive straws. Regards, Ericoides (talk) 19:13, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

No grasping at straws, simply unaware of the way the slang worked (I don't keep up with slang too much). So you have my apologies for that, and I stand corrected. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:07, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Fine; thanks again. Ericoides (talk) 05:31, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

May I?

• BR, do you mind adding the tag of {{BannedMeansBanned}} onto User:Ryan kirkpatrick? Lieutenant Commander Mike Hewitt: Red October has just turned into the torpedo's path. Admiral James Greer: Mother of God! --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 00:16, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
  • He always hoped to see Montana...! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:23, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Threatening an Admin...

• See User talk:Antandrus#You have no sense of fun, what a gem from newbie~! --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 10:13, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Ping...ping...cluelessness detected...the Magic 8-Ball says beware of boomerangs...! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 17:52, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Cat Creek, Montana

After a period of relative peace, the "lions in Cat Creek folks" are back. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 13:12, 11 April 2012 (UTC).

• After much singing, I bet the lions really need to sleep~! --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 14:37, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit war about to break out over the issue of lions in Cat Creek?!! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 17:01, 11 April 2012 (UTC).

Please see the following: User talk:Montanalions, probably a sock of User:Catcreekcitycouncil, User:Timothyjohnson12 and User:Catcreek, on a crusade to introduce extraneous and possibly erroneous material into the article. Has already reverted the article to introduce a history section. "Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope ..." FWiW Bzuk (talk) 17:25, 11 April 2012 (UTC).

And he decided to start claiming that there were leopards in southern Arizona, too. Facepalm . - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 17:44, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

P.S. I'd missed where the first SPI had turned up 31 accounts [9]...! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 17:50, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

• [to himself, just before being lowered off a helicopter] Jack Ryan: "Next time, Jack, write a goddamn memo." Supreme facepalm of destiny... --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 00:19, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• Alrighty... memo's been written, let's see if he'll let loose the noose or tighten it further, shall we? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 16:22, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• Perhaps they'll listen. I hope so, but I suspect that Phil might be using his spoon to scoop snowballs, too... - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 16:26, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps... --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 16:32, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Louis Tomlinson

Want to put an early end to the AFD? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 18:20, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, I already !voted there before I realised the extent of the problem - might be best if another put an end to it (and I'm about to log off for work in two minutes, too.) You could ping User:The ed17 if he's online though? - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 18:28, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

The beauties of talk page stalking. ;-) Looks like this has already been taken care of, though. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 20:10, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Reopened ANI discussion

Back on 28 March I closed a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, which I thought was finished with. You were one of the contributors to the discussion. Another editor later posted a further comment below the closed section, and, having read that comment, I decided that the issue was perhaps not as unambiguously finished as I had thought, so I reverted my closure. Nobody posted any more comments to the section, and it is now archived at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive744#Wiki user:Fasttimes68 is vandalizing pages referencing celebrity model Stephanie_Adams. However, an editor has now suggested that I should have informed those who contributed to the discussion that it had been reopened, so I am doing so. It is very likely that nobody had any more to add, but if you would have done so then I apologise for not informing you at the time. If you do wish to say any more about it then it will be necessary to open a new section at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, since the old one is archived. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:48, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, but no worries. :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 16:17, 12 April 2012 (UTC)