User talk:The Aviator22

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Welcome to Wikipedia! I say this because you have no different "rights" or abilities than I do here. I think "celebrity" wearers/endorsers are absolutely unencyclopedic in virtually any context and am likely never to be talked away from that position. (85% joking: Should there be a list somewhere of "Wikipedians who wear Prada shoes" or "Wikipedians who drive BMW automobiles"? Why is that more, or less, interesting than actors who wear a particular kind of wristwatch? Why does, or should, anyone care? These are the issues on which you should focus on talk pages.) The appropriate way to discuss this is to start with the affected articles' talk pages, and potentially move up to a request for comment.

Is there a particular reason that, even though you are completely new to the site as far as I can tell, this is effectively the first hill you chose as your territory? The editorial corps here is extremely suspicious of commercial interests attempting to co-opt the encyclopedia. It frankly strikes me as very odd that one of the first things a new user would want to do is add a list of objectively trivial information regarding commercial affiliations with respect to consumer products. Please read WP:PAID and abide by same scrupulously. But then there are people who are into such things, as there are people who are "into" plane crashes (which are at least newsworthy and not merely of commercial interest, though).

You may reply to me here; I am watching your talk page, and since you appear to be a new user I am not going to put the burden on you to watch my talk page for responses to you. Please understand that I am a volunteer, as we expect all of our editors to be. I have a demanding "day job" and spend a few minutes on Wikipedia a few times a day when I'm on hold for Zoom calls or otherwise unproductive. It may sometimes take as much as a week for me, or anyone else, to get back to you, if I have an actual-paid-job crisis and can't make a response in the 90 seconds or so I have available. (In other words: Just because I'm reverting vandalism on college articles doesn't mean I'm ignoring you; it means I can do that in the limited amount of time I have available, and I don't have to leave an editing window open for more than five unproductive minutes [which I recommend avoiding for platform-interface reasons]).

In that regard, I strongly encourage you to start a thread at WP:TEAHOUSE to discuss this issue. Many thanks, sincerely, though, for actually engaging in a dialogue; you are in the minority but it is very much appreciated! - Julietdeltalima (talk) 15:38, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, this is really helpful! I'm happy to bring this up on the article's talk page, but I definitely understand your stance in the matter. For me personally, I've actually been an avid watch collector for several years now, so I just wanted to start somewhere that was of personal interest and where I might be able to quickly contribute and add some value. Otherwise, I've been using the community portal to try and bounce around different topics, but am having trouble finding ways to contribute. Like you, I'm also doing this on the side of a day job, but based on your contributions, I'm much less efficient with my time at this point.

My stance on celebrity watches is that in some cases watch brand history and popularity have been made or otherwise strongly influenced by the celebrities that endorse them. Breitling actually has a model named after the actress Raquel Welch for example simply because she donned one in the film Fathom. The company also didn't hit mainstream popularity (particularly in the sports world) until David Beckham began endorsing them. Perhaps this information would be more valuable in a section labelled "Rise in Popularity" or as an add-on to the "In Pop Culture" section, rather than just a bulleted list. Anyway, this is probably a discussion for the article's talk page, but just wanted to make my stance known.

Happy to heed any advice you want to throw my way as it pertains to this subject or as a general contributor! Thanks again The Aviator22 (talk) 16:15, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

As a minor aside, please, please look at a lot of other articles to familiarize yourself with our style manual. It's "In popular culture," not "In Popular Culture." See MOS:SECTIONCAPS.

This is definitely a talk-page issue, though. There are always secondary sources needed. If there's, like, a Vogue or Esquire article about the Breitling watch you mentioned, then that is great. If it's just a Breitling press release, that is not okay. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 18:35, 29 March 2021 (UTC)