User talk:TheSandDoctor/Archives/2020/November
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Filmography
Hi, noticed you removed a filmography from an article you prodded because it was unreferenced. According to guidelines filmographys do not have to be sourced as they are primary sourced to the films and tv shows credit lists. Per WP:FILMOGRAPHY, the reference column is optional and only needed "when a work may be obscure or difficult to confirm" say, for uncredited roles.imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:41, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Atlantic306: that’s an essay. Could you please link to the guideline you speak of where it says sourcing isn’t required? I’d rather go with guidelines/policies and not essays where possible, especially in cases like this where the that advice (in the essay linked) seems to go against WP:BLP and WP:V, both of which are core policies. BLP and V tend to repeat each other a fair bit and have the same common theme, but I have compiled some key things from both (but this is by no means exhaustive).
- BLP:
- states that it applies to any mentions of living people on the site and to be “very firm” about the use of high quality sourcing, stating near the top that “[w]e must get the article right”.
- content on living people ”requires a high degree of sensitivity, and must adhere strictly to all applicable laws in the United States, to this [BLP] policy, and to Wikipedia's three core content policies” (NPOV, V, NOR)
- From V:
- ”Even if you are sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it.” (Aka WP:BURDEN, which adds later on in the page that that source must be both published and reliable
- ”All material in Wikipedia mainspace, including everything in articles, lists and captions, must be verifiable. All quotations, and any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation that directly supports the material. Any material that needs a source but does not have one may be removed. Please immediately remove contentious material about living people that is unsourced or poorly sourced.”
- ”Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source.”
- I’m not trying to pick a fight or anything, just wanting to see the guideline you speak of for myself so that I may review it. I take verifiability of information and the BLP policy very seriously, which they indicate you should. They hold far more weight than any essay. TheSandDoctor Talk 01:25, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- Hi, it is an essay but it is on the front page of WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers which gives it more weight than an ordinary essay as it is approved by a large WikiProject. Verifiability includes primary sources for film plots and book plots which are sourced to the primary work itself and also filmographys which are primary sourced to the works themselves. A filmography is not usually contentious and "Any material that needs a source but does not have one may be removed" is not applicable as the filmography does not need a source in most cases in the opinion of WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers unless the veracity has been questioned. Also please note that it is widespread consensus that filmographys do not need referencing, for example well known actors such as Dennis Quaid. Personally I think it is better to have a referenced filmography but that is not the common consensus. Will look for the policy later, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 20:50, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- Found something on WP:No Original Research policy page. It states " For example, an article about a novel may cite passages to describe the plot, but any interpretation needs a secondary source." Also note 3 at bottom of page identifies movies as a primary source and I interpret that as use of the credits for actors and crew and for the plot description, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 00:58, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Atlantic306: (Inline) verification is required for article content, even if the sources are primary. "Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source." come to mind specifically. How would readers verify the information without a citation? --TheSandDoctor Talk 18:08, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Hi, it says it may be removed but it doesn't say it should be removed. If it is obviously sourced to a primary source such as a film plot, book plot, or credits list then it should not be removed unless the factual accuracy is in doubt and then a reference would be needed. The reader can verify the material by watching a clip of the film or reading the book it's as simple as that and often easier to verify than other types of offline sources such as rare books, documents, and so forth, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 20:45, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Atlantic306: (Inline) verification is required for article content, even if the sources are primary. "Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source." come to mind specifically. How would readers verify the information without a citation? --TheSandDoctor Talk 18:08, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – November 2020
News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2020).
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Guideline and policy news
- Community sanctions now authorize administrators to place under indefinite semiprotection
any article on a beauty pageant, or biography of a person known as a beauty pageant contestant, which has been edited by a sockpuppet account or logged-out sockpuppet
, to be logged at WP:GS/PAGEANT.
- Community sanctions now authorize administrators to place under indefinite semiprotection
Technical news
- Sysops will once again be able to view the deleted history of JS/CSS pages; this was restricted to interface administrators when that group was introduced.
- Twinkle's block module now includes the ability to note the specific case when applying a discretionary sanctions block and/or template.
- Sysops will be able to use Special:CreateLocalAccount to create a local account for a global user that is prevented from auto-creation locally (such as by a filter or range block). Administrators that are not sure if such a creation is appropriate should contact a checkuser.
Arbitration
- The 2020 Arbitration Committee Elections process has begun. Eligible editors will be able to nominate themselves as candidates from November 8 through November 17. The voting period will run from November 23 through December 6.
- The Anti-harassment RfC has concluded with a summary of the feedback provided.
Miscellaneous
- A reminder that
standard discretionary sanctions are authorized for all edits about, and all pages related to post-1932 politics of the United States and closely related people.
(American Politics 2 Arbitration case).
- A reminder that
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- You can no longer read Wikimedia wikis if your browser uses very old TLS. This is because it is a security problem for everyone. It could lead to downgrade attacks. Since October 29, 2020, users who use old TLS versions will not be able to connect to Wikimedia projects. A list of browser recommendations is available. All modern operating systems and browsers are always able to reach Wikimedia projects. [1]
There is a new automatic tracking category available: Pages with non-numeric formatnum arguments. It collects pages which use the {{formatnum}}parser function with invalid (non-numeric) input, e.g.{{formatnum:TECHNEWS}}. Note that{{formatnum:123,456}}is also invalid input: as described in the documentation, the argument should be unformatted so that it can be reliably and correctly localised. The tracking category will help identify problematic usage and double-formatting. The new tracking category's name can be translated at translatewiki. [2]
Changes later this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from November 3. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from November 4. It will be on all wikis from November 5 (calendar).- Administrators and stewards will be able to use a special page (Special:CreateLocalAccount) to force local account creation for a global account. This is useful when account creation is blocked for that user (by a block or a filter). [3]
- The Reply tool will be offered as an opt-in Beta Feature on most Wikipedias on November 4. This change excludes the English, Russian, and German-language Wikipedias, plus a few smaller Wikipedias with special circumstances. You can read the help page and the troubleshooting guide for more information. [4]
Future changes
- A discussion has been restarted about using a Unicode minus sign (− U+2212) in the output of
{{formatnum}}when it is given a negative argument. [5] - In the future IP addresses of unregistered users will not be shown for everyone. They will get an alias instead. There will be a new user right or an opt-in function for more vandal fighters to see the IPs of unregistered users. There would be some criteria for who gets the user right or opt-in. There will also be other new tools to help handle vandalism. This is early in the process and the developers are still collecting information from the communities before they suggest solutions.
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16:08, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Admin's Barnstar |
| Thank you for blocking all those promotional accounts! Firestar464 (talk) 04:25, 3 November 2020 (UTC) |
- @Firestar464: Thank you!
--TheSandDoctor Talk 04:26, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
1989
Hey, I hope you're doing well! I am super responsive on the 1989 FAC because I can't let it archived this time lol... But if you find my responses irrational, just jump in and discuss! 
HĐ (talk) 04:31, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
- Hi there HĐ! I am keeping an eye on it and have jumped in before, but you are definitely keeping on top of it and getting to it generally before I am..timezones and all I imagine. I am definitely monitoring it as well, but won't hesitate to jump in as needed. --TheSandDoctor Talk 04:40, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Changes later this week
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
Future changes
- You can see reference previews. This shows a preview of the footnote when you hover over it. This has been a beta feature. It will move out of beta and be enabled by default. There will be an option not to use it. The developers are looking for small or medium-sized wikis to be the first ones. You can let them know if your wiki is interested. [6]
- From November 16 the categories will not be sorted in order for a short time. This is because the developers are upgrading to a new version of the internationalisation library. They will use a script to fix the existing categories. This can take a few hours or a few days depending on how big the wiki is. You can read more. [7][8]
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15:49, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Regarding the deletion of edits and IPs
Hello,
I brought my issue too the attention of the Help Desk and I was told to contact an admin. I put all the admins names into a random list picker, and you emerged as the unfortunate soul that is going to have to deal with me. This is my issue (I'm copying and pasting the help desk question as I couldn't find the email this user function the member on the help desk referred to.)
- I've been using Wikipedia for years, but I have never edited anything until today. I went to the article on the dollar sign (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_sign) and noticed that the Brazilian real wasn't listed in the list of countries that also use the dollar sign. The sign for a Brazilian real is R$ so I attempted to add it to the list. After I did this I noticed that the other currencies in the list didn't capitalize the name of the currency so I made a new edit. After this I noticed it was no longer in alphabetical order, and made another. I then tried to delete my previous edits and accidentally made more edits. The edit history is now completely cluttered with small minor edits. Is there anyway that these edits can be deleted from the edit history from 00:09, 12 November 2020 to 00:23, 12 November 2020 in order to clean up the history, to erase my IP before I created an account, and to save me the embarrassment? Afterwards I will make the correction in one edit so that it is more proper.
I was told by another user that the edits will most likely stay, so that really only leaves the issue of IP, could I please get this removed from the edit history? These are the edits: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dollar_sign&oldid=988245921 and https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dollar_sign&oldid=988245969 Many thanks, Yukari IV (talk) 01:20, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) @Yukari IV: I have suppressed your IP address from the page history. If you encounter any edits that need to be suppressed in the future, please instead contact the oversight team privately by following the instructions at Wikipedia:Requests for oversight. Thanks, Mz7 (talk) 01:30, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
- Alright, I will do that, sorry if I did something I shouldn't have. The interface and rules of this site are a little less than intuitive. Thanks and have a good one. Yukari IV (talk) 01:38, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Note
I left you one at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/MilHistBot 7. Cheers, Primefac (talk) 01:42, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- Listings on category pages are sorted on each wiki for that language using a library. For a brief period on 16 November, changes to categories will not be sorted correctly for most languages. This is because the developers are upgrading to a new version of the library. They will then use a script to fix the existing categories. This will take a few hours or a few days depending on how big the wiki is. You can read more. [9][10]
Changes later this week
- If you merged two pages in a namespace where pages can't redirect this used to break the merge history. This will now be fixed. [11]
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 17 November. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 18 November. It will be on all wikis from 19 November (calendar).
Future changes
- The Community Wishlist Survey is now open for proposals. The survey decides what the Community Tech team will work on. You can post proposals from 16 to 30 November. You can vote on proposals from 8 December to 21 December.
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15:36, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- Timestamps in Special:Log are now links. They go to Special:Log for only that entry. This is how timestamps work on for example the history page. [12]
Changes later this week
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
Future changes
- The Wikimedia Cloud VPS hosts technical projects for the Wikimedia movement. Developers need to claim projects they use. This is because old and unused projects are removed once a year. Unclaimed projects can be shut down from 1 December. Unclaimed projects can be deleted from 1 January. [13]
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17:17, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 1 December. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 2 December. It will be on all wikis from 3 December (calendar).
Future changes
- The iOS Wikipedia app will show readers more of the article history. They can see new updates and easier see how the article has changed over time. This is an experiment. It will first be shown only to some iOS app users as a test. [14][15]
- The Wiki Replicas can be used for SQL queries. You can use Quarry, PAWS or other ways to do this. To make the Wiki Replicas stable there will be two changes. Cross-database
JOINSwill no longer work. You can also only query a database if you connect to it directly. This will happen in February 2021. If you think this affects you and you need help you can post on Phabricator or on Wikitech. [16]
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17:43, 30 November 2020 (UTC)