User talk:TheCountdown

One Woman Army

I don't think you understand WP:ALBUMS. There is no release date for the album, none. We believe it's 2012, but that can be changed in a split second. You need to read up on the guidelines. Your new, so you're not so well versed on them. _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 18:43, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

But on the other hand, there is a lot of info, I saw something about sanboxes, what is that and how do you create one?--TheCountdown (talk) 18:46, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but guidelines doesn't go based on info. There are more information on other articles compared to One Woman Army. I'm not doing this to be a prude but in general, but there's not enough concrete proof nor core release date for the album article to be created. And you can create your own sandbox above in the options or create a base through your user page. I could create the base linking for you if you wanted? _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 18:48, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, yeah you start it, and just post the link on my page, I guess you just copy and paste everything over, because I fixed the links i added--TheCountdown (talk) 19:30, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your sandbox can be found in the links above>> "My sandbox". Also, your reverts keep undoing some important coding to the article. So make sure you know what you're undoing before doing it. I redirected the article since it does not have a release date. Please do not reinstate it without ample sourcing and/or a release date per WP:ALBUMS. _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 05:55, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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One Woman Army

Hi Countdown, Thank you for liking my work with One Woman Army. However as per the principles of reliable sources thatgrapejuice.net is not a reliable source. it is an independent blog run by a UK male from their home. There's no editorial panel to scrutinize what is written plus more than half of the content is pure opinion. Equally it is not reliable because it is not industry recognised. If you would like to argue otherwise you might need to bring it up at the reliable sources noticeboard to get a WP:Consensus that it is. Generally blogs which are run by non-professionals are not reliable. Sam (who runs that grape juice) does not work in/for the music industry and posts man rumours or hearsay copied from the internet. Much of what they have reported on One Woman Army is speculation and just cannot be proved - hence I removed the content. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 23:24, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Speechless

Hi Countdown,

According to Digital Retailers in the UK and Europe "Speechless" was available to purchase as a seperate single, with its own cover and music video. Per WP:DUCK the song has a music video of its own, its own seperate release from "Gimme Dat" and was promoted and played on music channels seperately from "Gimme Dat". These are the tell-tale signs of a seperate single release. While this might not have happened in the United States the US release of a single does not dictate the nature of the number of songs released by an artist. A song only needs to be released in one territory to be a single so long as its supported with something official like a label publication or music video and single cover. The article was taken to WP:Good article status as a single so if you want to change it you need to raise it at Talk: Speechless (Ciara song) rather than change it in the article itself as this is quite a big change to make to a good article without consensus. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 19:04, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Like a Surgeon

Other stuff, other single releases and other examples are not a valid reason for removing "Like a Surgeon" as a single. The coverage refers to the song being sent to radio restrospectively in the month of June. We know Ciara had issues with her then label Jive who were paying stations not to play a song AFTER ciara had already sent them to radio. You cannot remove the billboard magazine source. You would need a reference specifically saying that the song WAS not sent to radio. There's a detailed discussion on the song's talk page about this. Please DO NOT remove sourced information again. It is a WP:BLOCKABLE offence! — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 15:20, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

August 2012

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did at Like A Surgeon (Ciara song), you may be blocked from editing. Thank you. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 16:24, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sock puppet investigation

You are suspected of sockpuppetry, which means that someone suspects you of using multiple Wikipedia accounts for prohibited purposes. Please make yourself familiar with the notes for the suspect, then respond to the evidence at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Brexx. Thank you. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 16:28, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I did not file this report lightly. I've given you signficant headroom but the similarities are uncanny. ... the investigation page allows you to defend yourself and please by all means if you are not a sockpuppet then that is the page to bring it up. I've also requested a checkuser which is a software check which will phsyically check the IP addresses involved and also check other metadata. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 17:25, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Like I said, everyone is given fair chance to defend yourself. The evidence is pretty compelling I am afraid to say. On the basis of that I would like to get a second opinion hence the report was filed. It is not a personal vendetta. I've said in the past I am happy to share experiences and good practise but your behaviour and target articles closely mimics the behaviour and patterns of another user who was banned from editing. Hence I feel its right that the report is run. Everyone is given chance to speak and if the admins clear you of sock puppetry then I too shall completely wipe the slate clean and treat you fairly and evenly just as I do with other users. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 17:38, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

User:Kww has previously dealt with Brexx and doesn't feel its likely your a sock. If he decides to close the report or other admins agree their judgement will be accepted by all and I will apologise if it has caused you distress. But that doesn't change the fact that you have gone about changing content in the wrong way. Perhaps it is because your new to wikipedia or were unsure of procedure. But you should always engage with others particularly when planning to make controversial or perhaps largely impacting changes which aren't cut and dry. A lot of the stuff in question here is comparing the singles to other released singles and there being a big difference between how they were treated. Every song/single is slightly different thats why you have to scrutinize the evidence presented for each seperately. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk]

Speechless

"1+1" by Beyoncé did not recieve a video immediately with its release as a promotional single and it is no longer available to download as a standalone package, see here. Whereas "Speechless" was released as a single with a video and even after the album's release is still available to purchase as a dual single here and here. Addtionally billboard called speechless a single here as did a reviewer here. Ciara says here that neither of her last two album's Basic Instinct or Fantasy Ride were creatively in her control. Here the single covers for "Speechless" and "Gimmie Dat" are unveiled... no mention of promo single anywhere. Enough said really. There's no sources calling this a promo... — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 17:14, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Where does it say that a CD release or radio is required for something to be a single? In the UK and much of Europe/Australia airplay doesn't count towards charting therefore there isn't such a thing as radio release. Instead songs get playlisted... playlisted songs get more airplay but airplay doesnt directly impact the chart. Just because a song didn't get a US radio release doesn't mean it wasn't a single - particularly not when it is still available to purchase as a seperate entity from an album with its own cover and track listing. And like I've said above there's a plethora of evidence both direct and independent supporting this as a single from Basic Instinct. You are aware that you are now in danger of being blocked/banned cause you have broken the WP:3RR rule? in addition to the above Sock Puppet Investigation? — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 17:21, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't matter if you're reverting different users its still an edit war/3RR violation. As for your comments your trying to compare other things to "Speechless" ignoring the evidence that has been submitted as to why "Speechless" is a single. There are several reliable sources proving it is a single so the burden of proof to say that it isn't a single lies with yourself. Something which, you've failed to prove thus far. You can flit around with arguments and comparisons to other songs but it still doesn't diminish the reliable sources provided for "Speechless". Finally myself, Status and Tomica amongst others are tryign to engage with you but you can't provide a verifiable reaosns for why we're all incorrect that is supported by [[WP:RS|reliable sources. Additionally the consensus/majority thinks it is a single so by constantly changing it you are infact harming the article and the spirit of wikipedia community. You should seek to engage with others and gain a WP:Consensus for your opinion. The sockpuppet thing is actually a seperate issue... not a diversion from your point. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 17:35, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Like a Surgeon" was serviced to radio though. The billboard source shows that it was serviced to radio. In the chart listing it didn't appear due to pre-listing airplay. It appeared due to downloads and airplay spins from radio release. Billboard called it a single at the time of release. If events or actions by Jive afterwards demoted its status and a video wasn't released that's all irrelevant really. As an example, many Calvin Harris's latest singles have been fully released and had videos released very late in their timeline. According to the billboard publication, the song was introduced as a single from Fantasy Ride. As explained above the creative decisions for the album were handled by the label and by the time "Gimmie Dat" was released we found out how much the label interfered with singles being released by Ciara in question. As explained on the talkpage it is a single unless it can be proven otherwise. Removing a source is wrong per WP:Content removal. Does it really make a difference if Ciara has one more single than you thought? — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 17:52, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unblock

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Request reason:

I was recently involved in a sock puppetry involving User:Brexx, after defending myself against these claims, I was acquitted. However, immediately after User:KWW suggested I was User:TrEeMaNsHoE, and before I could even defend myself, I was blocked. so that's why I'm here. First off this morning, I accidentally edited under my IP address, but it was by mistake, because I had set my computer to hibernate, and when I went back to wikipedia, it looked like I was logged in when I wasn't. I will be more careful in the future. I would also like to apologize for the almost going against the 3RR, I am still learning the ways of wikipedia and as you see that right before I was blocked I was communicationg via talk page with user:Lil-Unique-1. Anyway, I am not a sock puppet of User:Treemanshow. Looking back at his/her edit history, he/she hasn't edited since November 2009, so and this is 2012, so how can I be linked. Also, the only thing that we have in common is Ciara related articles. but Ciara has more than one fan, so it is possible for more than one user to be interested in that (like me, User:Lil-Unique-1 or User:Status. Any way, I recently joined WP as a way to update new infer about Ciara;s news album One Woman Army, however when info was slow, i began to look at her past songs. I was appalled at the fact that Like a Surgeon was being called a single, when it had no source confirming that it had any form of release. Looking at TrEeMaNsHoE's history with the page, I see that it was him/her that asserted that the song was a single in the first place (so no relation) On the other hand, U also focused on the page for Speechless, which the song didn't come out until 2010, so there is no was that Treemanshoe could had edited that. Plus, the other artist pages that I edit is to update new info that I find, as I am an R&B/hip-hop fanatic. So anyway, Treemanshoes departure and my arrival are almost two years apart, so there is no way that I can be linked. I'm not sure how this came about. I was just stating my opinion on Ciara articles, and was told that it mirrored that of a previous user, so I was accused go sock puppetry. But as I have stated above, we have no relation of opinion. I would like to continue editing wikipedia as a learning editor, and only see this as a road block, so please take heed to my evidence. --TheCountdown (talk) 18:26, 6 August 2012 (UTC) Also, looking at User talk:KWW, he stated that he came to the conclusion that I was TreeManShoe because I ted an account from Warren Michigan, but there are thousands of residents there, so you can't just link two together. Besides that, Im not in Warren Michigan and have never even lived there--TheCountdown (talk) 18:30, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

Removing pointers to the reasoning behind the block shows clear bad faith. I will restore your access to edit this page once to explain why it is you did that. If you remove or alter any other comments on this page that discuss the block, I'll just as quickly take it away again. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 07:27, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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For any reviewing admins, the interest in Ciara plus http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3A68.79.93.52 plus http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Brexx&diff=506090449&oldid=506089980 plus the range of IPs reported at this report, this report, this report, this report, and this report make this one pretty apparent.—Kww(talk) 05:21, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Whoever declines this unblock should consider restoring TheCountdown's ability to edit his own talk page, as I've removed it due to him deleting discussion of his block. I'm not saying you should actually restore it, but you should at least give it some thought.—Kww(talk) 22:17, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Request reason:

The reason I removed it, was because I felt that User: Kww had already expressed his opinion, as he is the one that blocked me in the first place, and felt that it seemed as if he didn;t want to here what anyone else had to say as it seemed like he was trying to create someones opinion for them. The rest of my plea is as follows:I was recently involved in a sock puppetry involving User:Brexx, after defending myself against these claims, I was acquitted. However, immediately after User:KWW suggested I was User:TrEeMaNsHoE, and before I could even defend myself, I was blocked. so that's why I'm here. First off this morning, I accidentally edited under my IP address, but it was by mistake, because I had set my computer to hibernate, and when I went back to wikipedia, it looked like I was logged in when I wasn't. I will be more careful in the future. I would also like to apologize for the almost going against the 3RR, I am still learning the ways of wikipedia and as you see that right before I was blocked I was communicationg via talk page with user:Lil-Unique-1. Anyway, I am not a sock puppet of User:Treemanshow. Looking back at his/her edit history, he/she hasn't edited since November 2009, so and this is 2012, so how can I be linked. Also, the only thing that we have in common is Ciara related articles. but Ciara has more than one fan, so it is possible for more than one user to be interested in that (like me, User:Lil-Unique-1 or User:Status. Any way, I recently joined WP as a way to update new infer about Ciara;s news album One Woman Army, however when info was slow, i began to look at her past songs. I was appalled at the fact that Like a Surgeon was being called a single, when it had no source confirming that it had any form of release. Looking at TrEeMaNsHoE's history with the page, I see that it was him/her that asserted that the song was a single in the first place (so no relation) On the other hand, U also focused on the page for Speechless, which the song didn't come out until 2010, so there is no was that Treemanshoe could had edited that. Plus, the other artist pages that I edit is to update new info that I find, as I am an R&B/hip-hop fanatic. So anyway, Treemanshoes departure and my arrival are almost two years apart, so there is no way that I can be linked. I'm not sure how this came about. I was just stating my opinion on Ciara articles, and was told that it mirrored that of a previous user, so I was accused go sock puppetry. But as I have stated above, we have no relation of opinion. I would like to continue editing wikipedia as a learning editor, and only see this as a road block, so please take heed to my evidence. --TheCountdown (talk) 18:26, 6 August 2012 (UTC) Also, looking at User talk:KWW, he stated that he came to the conclusion that I was TreeManShoe because I ted an account from Warren Michigan, but there are thousands of residents there, so you can't just link two together. Besides that, Im not in Warren Michigan and have never even lived there. Also,I am still continuous learning on WP, I apologize for almost disobeying the 3RR rule, and as you can see was just about to start talk peg communication with User: Lil-Unique1[reply]

Decline reason:

You only have a few articles in common with TrEeMaNsHoE, true. But when comparing you against TrEeMaNsHoE's other sockpuppets, you share a good dozen or so. You're just one more sock in a drawer filled with them, and they all match. -- Atama頭 17:45, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Would you please stop referring to Unique and I as "Ciara fans"? Just because somebody edits an article of somebody does not mean they are fans of that person. Statυs (talk) 02:00, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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