User talk:Texasguy57

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Speedy deletion nomination of Empire Orienteering Club

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A tag has been placed on Empire Orienteering Club requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a club, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, contest the deletion by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". Doing so will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. Drdisque (talk) 00:24, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Status and Advice

As reviewing administrator, I'm going to restore the article, as it might be considered to indicate some possible importance, which is all that is needed to pass speedy deletion. But it is not enough for an actual article: a Wikipedia article needs to show notability with references providing substantial coverage from 3rd party independent published reliable sources, print or online, but not blogs or press releases, or material derived from press releases. The references in the article may or may not be substantial: I can't see them. The online edition of the Times Union looks the most substantial, but it does not show up in their index. It might in the print copies, and that is good enough, but in that case we would need exact page numbers, an indication of the length of the article, and if possible, a quote from it. The same holds true of the local papers. Whether they will be considered sufficient to show notability, will be a matter of interpretation--see WP:LOCAL.

It also needs to be written like an encyclopedia article, not a press release- . Don't talk about the overall importance of the subject--talk about what this particular group has accomplished. (membership numbers, awards, etc.) Most important, remember not to copy from a web site, even your own -- first it's a copyright violation, but, even if you own the copyright and are willing to give us permission according to WP:DCM, the tone will not be encyclopedic and the material will not be suitable--and indeed the general paragraph was not suitable. Wikipedia explains the sport of orienteering elsewhere, so it is not necessary. And it's written to advocate participation in the sport, not to describe it--sos it would not do in any event.

Include only material that would be of interest to a general reader coming across the mention of the subject and wanting the sort of information that would be found in an encyclopedia. Do not include material that would be of interest only to those associated with the subject. You need to be aware that most local branches of national organizations have not been found notable here; the articles on the other branches of this one are pretty borderline in my opinion. (So using them as an argument is likely to bring the customary response in similar cases, a suggestion that they also be deleted.)

As a general rule, a suitable page will be best written by someone without Conflict of Interest; it's not impossible to do it properly with a conflict of interest , but it's relatively more difficult: you are automatically thinking in terms of what the subject wishes to communicate to the public, but an uninvolved person will think in terms of what the public might wish to know.

Expect that this article will be taken to WP:AFD for a determination by the community. Anyone can do this at any time, so I advise you to fix the problem with the references, and add some general description of the club, and do this very quickly. If it is not improved by next week, I'll probably take it there myself: at that point anyone can give reasons, and the community decides, as judged by another administrator.

If I can help you further, let me know on my user talk page. DGG ( talk ) 19:27, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]