User talk:TerryAlex/sandbox4

@Random86:, I think it's better for me to discuss with you here rather than your talk page for now. You already know the kind of editor I am, so don't hesitate to tell me your opinion on anything. I won't get upset. :) Anyways, since you are helping me with YA's article. Here are a couple more things I want to clarify:

1. Since we know that Kpop works differently than Western pop, each member has a "role" within the group. So I thought "...becoming the "center" of the group, taking the center position on stage" is just to highlight her role. It's another way of saying she is also the visual without saying it, right?

2. I already explained the "personality" part.

3. I also intended to highlight her "dancing" because....You know how other editors always try to label these K-pop artists as "dancer"?

The point I'm trying to say is: I did put thoughts into putting those things together, and I had an intention why I had them there. I never meant to turn these girls into "goddesses" or anything. :) The point is to make it "complete". So...I'm writing this because like I said before, I really appreciate how you have always been helping me out, though I know you do not have any interest in them. When I asked you a while back to help me trim and copy edit YA's article, I did expect you to tell me anything you find trivial and needed to be improved. But since you did not, so I assumed you agree with everything :). Just want to clarify that :)

The two articles that I'm asking you to help me out. I'm going to break down a few things later after you are done helping me with YA's so you can understand it better. I know they are both sloppy writing and need a lot of trimming. Basically, I drafted every possible thing that can be talked about, but they need to be trimmed down/rephrased to only the most necessary things. I don't want any of these articles longer than they should be, nor would I try to promote them in any way.

Don't hesitate to discuss with me anything.--TerryAlex (talk) 21:20, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Random86, just want to say a few things:

1. First of all, the idea of making you go through my sloppy drafts and fix them for me is not something I’m very fond of. But because I know I can only put out the ideas, and seriously lack in the “wording” department, I’m just glad you are here to help. I owe it to you, buddy. :)

2. You see that I do include a lot of long quotes. I know some of them probably need to either be rephrased or shortened, if possible. [For SH: I know that paragraph on her liking musical is a bit long. TY: I did tried to incorporate the word "freaking cool" if you are wondering :p]

3. I purposely included Jessica’s incident because her departure from GG is notable and the other members’ experience as a result of it needs to be documented somehow. It’s, after all, a part of their life experience.

4. Though we can never have 100% the same opinion, I think you do see the idea I’m trying to portray. At the end of the day, I really think it’s all about wording things correctly (which I lack) and "fitting the pieces together" to portray their career/life as honestly and poignantly as possible. The mindset that I have is: When someone reads it, they know exactly what kind of career/life/persona someone has led.

5. YA has to be highlighted for her acting career/CFs/charity work. TY for her singing and SH for her love of doing musicals as well as singing, etc.

6. The part I’m not so sure of is the “Public image”, I have seen Beyonce being highlighted for her “sexiness” and Taylor Swift” for her “high IQ”. So I attempted to put together something for SH (as well as YA previously), but I am still not sure what is exactly appropriate and what is not.--TerryAlex (talk) 05:32, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

I didn't get a notification on June 14, so I'm just now seeing this talk page. :p (I've read several times that pings don't always work. Template:u is apparently more reliable.) GG aren't one of my favorite groups but I am interested in them. If I had zero interest I might not be doing this. What do you think of Yoona's page now? I haven't looked again at the charity part yet, but I went through the rest and added back what I thought was most important. When I first worked on the Yoona sandbox there were a few things I wasn't sure about but it didn't bother me enough to say anything. For Seohyun and Taeyeon, I'll discuss with you what I'm not sure about. Regarding this: Basically, I drafted every possible thing that can be talked about, but they need to be trimmed down/rephrased to only the most necessary things., this is a great method. I think it's easier to include too much and then trim, rather than try to write a shorter article straight away. Random86 (talk) 06:10, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Random86, thank you for adding back all those things that I also find important for YA. What I've been thinking about, though, is how to summarize the GG part better. I mean, whether you like the group or not, the kind of success they have achieved within Asia is really no small deal. So even though we are not going to write a long segment on the group within the members' articles, but I just think there must be some ways to write it better. Regarding her charity work, if we google it up, there are actually fan accounts that talk about her doing (and donating) overseas volunteer/charity work, so I wanted to highlight that fact that she has been doing charity since young, it's true, (and thank god we found an article to back it up), but maybe the tone was a bit non-neutral. I definitely think that fact along with how she was honored at the Honor Society should be added back. (I'm not sure about the Ambassadors part, but I think it also does reflect someone's public image, so that's why you see me putting everything under one section).--TerryAlex (talk) 04:06, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Random86, here we go again, I think that "Recognition" section on TY's article can be re-added somehow. I mean, the girl is known for her voice/one of the best Kpop vocalists and her emotional singing. Some details need to be trimmed and reworded, we also obviously don't have the kind of sources that Hollywood celebrities do, but I truly think it needs to be documented somehow...Or is it just my biased point of view? Let me know. :)

Oh, and let me know if you find it too hard to fix the drafts for me. My writing is just too terrible? :p Take your time, of course. I know it takes me a long time to draft these things myself. Thanks always--TerryAlex (talk) 03:54, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

There should be a way to incorporate some of that material. If it was more summarized with less quotes it would seem less "chit-chatty". The sources are good enough IMO.

Don't worry about your writing because it's not too hard to fix. I've just been busier in real life. I do want to work more on the drafts soon. :) Random86 (talk) 05:48, 19 July 2015 (UTC)