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September 2014

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October 2014

Your recent editing history at Amon Amarth shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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Amon Amarth

TenaciousD, please address this on the BAND talk page. We both have been edit warring, I take responsibility for my actions, but please do not place all of the blame on me. But, regarding Amon Amarth, DO NOT claim that there was a consensus. There was no such consensus either way on the Viking metal band list. On the Amon Amarth page, there was actually a consensus that the band is Viking metal. I'm willing to discuss this further on the talk page of the BAND. Holding the discussion elsewhere makes it hard for other editors to follow the discussion. I, myself, did not realize at first that you are the former IP editor from the Viking metal list, and was very confused by your edit summaries.--¿3family6 _contribs 13:37, 27 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You keep asking me to refer to the talk page, but you have yet to comment there. Do you want me to have a discussion with myself?--¿3family6 _contribs 15:29, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, you finally did comment. Thank you.--¿3family6 _contribs 15:43, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sock puppet warning

On the list of Viking metal artists talk page, you signed your post as an IP. You probably forgot to log in - I do that occasionally myself. But, be careful to log in next time. Using an IP account instead of your user account, especially when you are embroiled in an edit war, is a form of sock puppeting, which can get you blocked or banned.--¿3family6 _contribs 13:50, 27 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

April 2015 - Amon Amarth

"Wikipedia" never came to a conclusion that Amon Amarth isn't Viking metal, and they HAVE been "proven" to play that style. It was just decided not to include that in the infobox because the infobox is an overall summary and certain editors, including but not limited to yourself, continue to edit war over the issue. There is a consensus not to include "Viking metal" in the infobox, but there is nothing to support your edit summaries such as "Wikipedia came to the conclusion long ago that 'Viking Metal' is a music genre, not lyrical theme, and since AA have never been proven to play this style (because they dont). Viking Metal cannot be in infobox (which is for objective facts only)." That last statement is another point - music genres are largely, often entirely, subjective. This isn't a science article (though even science can have elements of subjectivity). Music genres are cultures based around a certain combination of sounds, and to a lesser extent lyrics, themes, and imagery. The markers of a genre, though they have concrete elements, are fluid and change over time. In the case of Viking metal, there is a major area of subjectivity as to whether sonic characteristics or lyrical themes define the genre, or both elements, and their is no solid consensus among the sources. So, please stop displaying an ownership mentality over Amon Amarth - I agree with your reverts, but absolutely not with your edit summaries.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 23:16, 28 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree my recent edit summaries are poor, as i have been doing them hastily in public on a crappy mobile with slow internet, now that i am home let me explain clearer. You know that this page (wikipedia) reached a consensus that Viking Metal would be left out of the infobox. You know by now that Viking Metal is a music genre, and music genres are defined by sonic traits, and sonic traits are objective. This other alternate definition of 'Viking Metal' regarding band's viking themes, is not a music genre, rather a cultural label.

Just because someone calls Amon Amarth 'viking metal' does not mean they are saying that their music genre is viking metal, the band Whispered frequently get called 'samurai metal' just as a descriptor to their thematic focus. Musically, everyone agrees they are really melodic death/folk metal. The reason why applying such a label to Amon Amarth causes such strife is because there was already an existing musical style called Viking Metal before people started giving labels to themes.

Yes, music genres sonically evolve overtime, but they are all rooted in the same objective musical traits, if they stray too far from the original style, then they become a completely new sub-genre. But this sonic evolution has nothing to do with this argument, as you are claiming that viking metal has evolved to now somehow include bands with a completely unrelated music style, just because of a common lyrical theme?... Music genres simply are not defined by or adapt due to imagery or lyrics. I dont even know why i need to explain this again.

There is zero evidence that AA are part of the Viking Metal music genre (black metal/nordic folk), there is only evidence for them being under the term when used as a cultural grouping and since the infobox clearly says genre, 'Viking Metal' does not belong there.

I do not claim ownership over Amon Amarth, But as a long time 'viking metalhead' i am sick to death of people ignorantly spreading false information purely based on their opinions or personal incredulity about one of my favorite forms of music and have been 'studying' for almost decades. This idea of 'viking metal' refers to band's thematic focus has only really emerged recently, no doubt fueled by people from outside the viking-metal-era, recent metalheads who probably dont even know who Quorthon is. TenaciousDio (talk) 02:51, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Continued discussion

Amon Amarth is viking metal. It even says in their Wikipedia page. They have all of the characteristics of a viking metal band, most notably the lyrics. You can leave the melodic death metal part but they are also a viking metal band and that can't be denied. --Originally unsigned post by HeadCase320 on 23:55, 28 April 2015.

Viking lyrics do not equal Viking Metal. Viking Metal is a musical style, and its long established sourced definition has always been along the lines of "Black metal with influence from Nordic folk music", based on that of Bathory's 'Blood Fire Death' style. Amon Amarth's style is purely melodic death metal. The only way you could add viking metal to the infobox is if you proved that their sound contained a fusion of Black Metal and Nordic folk music.

If you were going to say that a band is Viking Metal because of their viking lyrics, then that would make Manowar, Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden viking metal... and you know that is not true. There are no double standards for Amon Amarth.

viking lyrics does not equal viking metal.-TenaciousDio (talk)

Clean vs. harsh vocals

You're serious? I thought they were interchangeable. See Amaranthe for an example. Nobody ever told me this before, do you have evidence for me to read? dannymusiceditor ^{~talk to me!~} 15:23, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As I wrote this, the position next to the current vocalist's name was changed to harsh as well on Amaranthe's article, but all the members in the former section are listed as unclean vocals. dannymusiceditor ^{~talk to me!~} 15:25, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wintersun genre

Hi there. There has long been an issue over the genre of Wintersun, as can be seen by viewing the talk page. Owing to this "controversy" any changes to the genre box need to be sourced properly as per WP:RS, and webzines fail this criterion unless their material has been independently published elsewhere by a third party. In order to avoid any pointless "edit-warring", could I please ask that you take any thoughts regrading genre changes to the talk page first and gain consensus before editing. Thank you, Blackmetalbaz (talk) 13:56, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]