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Your submission at Articles for creation: Public Transport Action Group (PTAG) (January 8)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by EchidnaLives was:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just passing mentions about the subject)
reliable
secondary
independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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echidnaLives - talk - edits 04:20, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Telegrampost! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! echidnaLives - talk - edits 04:20, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi EchidnaLives, thanks for reviewing and your feedback. Before I begin with the Teahouse, perhaps I should recount what I have done in case it is a really simple fix. I cited two newspaper articles (The Age and now-defunct Melbourne Herald) which I felt were reliable, secondary and independent (both of which I have scanned copies) but neither are accessible digitally. Both articles are fully dedicated to the subject of the proposed article. I tried to attach them to the article but Wikipedia prevented me doing so. Both sources can only be verified by a visit to the State Library of Victoria and physically reviewing the microfiche, which is how I have the copies. Is there a particular rookie mistake(s) that you might be able to advise me on? Wiktree (talk) 04:34, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Wiktree, thanks for asking. Don't worry, you aren't doing anything wrong, it's just important that reviewers are able to verify sources.

Do you know if either of the 2 articles are available on the state library website? If not, I will be near the state library a bit later (I live in Melbourne :D) and might be able to have a look. Do you know where in the library I could find it?

If not, could you email me the copies? If you aren't able to do that, could you find 1 more source which shows that it's notable, even if you can't link it?

Thanks, echidnaLives - talk - edits 05:34, 8 January 2023 (UTC).[reply]

Additonally, it seems like you are the same person as Telegrampost. This isn't an issue, as you've not done any disruptive editing, but you should probably declare it just in case. echidnaLives - talk - edits 05:36, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your email, EchidnaLives.

Yes, please accept the article on my behalf. I wasn’t sure what you meant by requesting access to the two other documents, so I am going to assume you meant the Dropbox contents and attaching seperate links for each:

1. https://www.dropbox.com/s/zs3kvw7cgrgw5hz/1.%20The%20Herald%2025%20Feb%201978%20re%20public%20transport.pdf?dl=0

2. https://www.dropbox.com/s/9j1i5i0bvixlc9p/2.%20The%20Age%20Green%20Guide%2C%2010%20May%201979.pdf?dl=0

3. https://www.dropbox.com/s/c6y2dibt2b9tp41/3.%20Letter%20to%20Herald%201978.pdf?dl=0

I am comfortable sharing the Dropbox links; and will see if I can find more sources. I will also ensure that on each account, the other account is disclosed.

I appreciate your help.

Regards,

Telegrampost & Wiktree Wiktree (talk) 12:28, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Public Transport Action Group

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A tag has been placed on Draft:Public Transport Action Group, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Public Transport Action Group (January 9)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Dan arndt were:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)
reliable
secondary
strictly independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet all four of these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

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Dan arndt (talk) 05:03, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Managing a conflict of interest

Hello, Telegrampost. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:18, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia: check out the Teahouse!

Hello! Telegrampost, you are invited to the Teahouse, a forum on Wikipedia for new editors to ask questions about editing Wikipedia, and get support from peers and experienced editors. Please join us! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:18, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Public Transport Action Group (January 9)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Dan arndt was:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)
reliable
secondary
strictly independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet all four of these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Fails WP:NORG - the articles in The Age and The Herald are both interviews with members of the PTAG, which are essentially primary sources and lack any independent verification. There also appears to be a substantial amount of original research.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Public Transport Action Group and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Dan arndt (talk) 06:22, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Dan. I can now see exactly what's missing; and probably can't fill those gaps. Now that I understand Wikipedia better, in particular citation of secondary sources and no original research, I will let this one go. Please proceed to delete at your convenience; and thank you for your patience with a newbie. It must be very time consuming; but I can see that standards need to be maintained. I haven't given up, but will choose a subject matter next time that is easier to match with the rules. Telegrampost (talk) 07:03, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't be discouraged. I would suggest rather than writing a new article from scratch that you look at first making improvements to existing articles. That way you'll get the hand of editing and wikideia policies/guidelines. Remember that there are plenty of experienced editors that are always happy to help out newbies. You can find them at Portal:Australia/Wikiproject - just drop a line on the talk page. Happy editing. Dan arndt (talk) 07:10, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Concern regarding Draft:Public Transport Action Group

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 07:03, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Public Transport Action Group

Hello, Telegrampost. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Public Transport Action Group".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:22, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]