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Edited ROGER PEARSON entry

Deleted >>>founder of the Neo Nazi organization Northern League, and publisher of several journals.<<< and REVERTED TO EARLIER ENTRY so that it reads: >>> and publisher of several refereed journals.<<<

REASON: This new and false insertion in the heading of the page duplicates a similarly malicious charge made later in the article. It also seeks to define Pearson in terms of a brief event from 54 years ago, at the expense of his many more significant and longer-lasting contributions as a professor and scholarly author of textbooks and treatises over the past 54 years.

In particular it is GROSSLY malicious to describe the Northern League for North European Friendship, certainly during the two years in which Pearson was a member, as Neo-Nazi. It is STRONGLY REQUESTED that Wikipedia take care to prevent the charge from being re-entered at a later date.

JUSTIFICATION FOR REJECTING THE NEO-NAZI SMEAR http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neo-nazi defines Neo-Nazi as >>a member of a group espousing the programs and policies of Hitler's Nazis<< AND Wikipedia entry on Neo-Nazism states >>Neo-Nazism consists of post-World War II social or political movements seeking to revive Nazism.[1][2][3][4] <<

As a "movement," a reading of the Northern Leagues newsletter entitled The Northlander during the two years with which Pearson was associated with the League shows the Leagues goals to have been peace between the related peoples of Britain, France, Germany, Russia and smaller nations that had fought against each other in World Wars I and II. The Northlander and the League in no way advocated any form of totalitarianism (quite the reverse), anti-Semitism, or militarism. Membership was open to anyone on payment of the small membership fee. The only political goal advocated by the League beyond peace and friendship was opposition to mass immigration from non-European countries. It in no way advocated Nazism, totalitarianism, Hitlerite personality cults, anti-Semitism, secret police, jackboots or repression - None of these were amongst the League's goals.

DELETED >>>where working together with Willis Carto, he published the Anti-semite magazine The New Patriot under the pseudonym Stephan Langton.[7]<<<

JUSTIFICATION FOR DELETION: The passage that had been added DUPLICATES the information about the New Patriot that already exists in the next paragraph and is therefore repetitive. It is falsely documented. The cited source does NOT describe the New Patriot as being "Anti-semite" but as "a responsible but penetrating inquiry into every aspect of the Jewish Question". It makes no suggestion that the published articles in the New Patriot were false, slanderous or historically inaccurate.

CHANGED

>>>In 1958 he founded the Northern League for North European Friendship, an organization promoting Pan-Germanism, Anti-semitism and Neo Nazi Racial ideology.[4][5][6]. From the beginning the League was criticized….<<
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TO READ: >>>In 1958 he founded the Northern League for North European Friendship, an organization promoting Racial ideology.[4][5][6] From the beginning the League was criticized….<<

JUSTIFICATION for change See comments in (1) above regarding the misuse of the very strong terms Neo-Nazism and anti-Semitism.

The Journal of Social, Political and Economic Studies has never been published by the Institute for the Study of Man. Only the Journal of Indo-European Studies is published by that Institute. Pearson’s writings emphasize the importance of the environment and protecting the environment as well as sound genes. It is unfair to ignore that fact.Teddyguyton (talk) 01:19, 2 October 2010 (UTC)Teddyguyton (talk) 00:47, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

No relationship to Draper

Draper was a colonel in the US Army attached to the British Indian Army at some time during World War II. Pearson did not arrive in India until September 1945, by which time Draper was no longer have been in India. Pearson never met or knew Colonel Draper, although he would have been honored to have done so.

Did not control League membership

Pearson did not control the membership of the League and denies recruiting the persons mentioned. All records were kept by the secretary in Scotland. During his time he asserts that the League avoided politics except to warn against uncontrolled immigration into an already overcrowded Europe. He denies and knowledge of Ernest Sevier Cox until meeting that gentleman at a League gathering after the latter had become a member. He did not know Dr. Kesserow and believes that this gentleman may not have joined the League until after he himself had resigned.

Not "brought" by Willis Carto

Pearson was not “brought” to the USA by Willis Carto, but paid his own fare and came to the USA on his own initiative. He contributed articles to the Noontide Press for a few months between late 1965 and early 1966, but not until “the end of the 1960s Documentation: For evidence, see the relevant dated Western Destiny and Noontide Press; also Willis Carto and the American Far Right. George Michael, University Press of Florida, 2008.

Not "asked to leave" Montana Tech

It is NOT true (a) that Pearson was “asked to leave” his position at Montana Tech. Pearson had already become active in the World Anti-Communist League and resigned in order to move to Washington DC in 1975 to establish the Council on American Affairs; to become Chairman of the American Chapter of the World Anti-Communist League; and to edit the Journal on American Affairs (the forerunner of The Journal of Social, Political and Economic Studies). No question about Pearson’s politics or his interest in heredity and eugenics ever arose while he was at Montana Tech, which was” unaware of his interest in these matters until contacted by a journalist some three years later after the 1978 Washington DC meeting of the World Anti-Communist League, which Pearson chaired. a) The statement that Pearson was asked to leave his position at Montana Tech is totally false. Nor is it supported by either of the alleged sources -- (3) Valentine or Lichtenstein (5) -- cited as documentation at the end of the paragraph. In fact, Lichtenstein’s statements actually contradict this. b) As far as the false allegation that he was ”asked to resign because of [his] continued relationship with Wickliffe Draper” is concerned, the FACT is that Colonel Draper died in 1972, two years before Pearson joined the faculty at Montana Tech. (see Wikipedia for date of Draper’s death.) Pearson never knew or communicated with Colonel Draper.

Never advocated involuntary sterlization; position on apartheid is clarified

Pearson NEVER advocated involuntary sterilization. This assertion is totally false. The end of the paragraph again refers to [3] and [5] as sources, but nothing in either of the cited documents supports this charge.

With regard to Pearson’s views on apartheid, an earlier edit by James P. Robuck’s dated 4/13/10 had correctly stated that Pearson “supported Apartheid in South Africa, in the sense of separate "homelands" as distinct from "petty Apartheid," which latter involved economic exploitation of black labor.” This is an important difference.

Never involved in any repatriation proposal

Pearson was never involved in any such proposal with Professor Scott or anyone else. Furthermore, it is questionable whether Draper ever established such a project, although he is known to have toyed with the idea in the 1930s, a time during which Pearson was still a pre-teen schoolboy in England.

This is yet another case of implying documentation that is non-existent. Neither of the articles cited as documentation (Valentine[3] nor Lichtenstein[5], which are cited as sources, make any such allegation.

Additional Reference

See Willis Carto and the American Far Right. George Michael, University Press of Florida, 2008 Also Paul W. Valentine (1978-05-28). "The Fascist Specter Behind The World Anti-Red League". The Washington Post.

Correction to Mankind Quarterly statements

Pearson did not “acquire” the Mankind Quarterly until June 1979. The journal was published by Professor Gayre from Edinburgh, Scotland, through Spring 1979. The erroneous date 1978 is a significant error because of the further erroneous claim that Professor Dr. Freiherr von Vershuer “was on the editorial board of the journal before his death in 1970.” As Wikipedia correctly reports, von Verschuer died in August 1969 not 1970. Pearson had no communication with him at any time. Also his name did not appear on the masthead of the Journal at any time when Pearson was publisher. It creates an unbalanced and unfair image of Pearson that attempt so connect him with Mengele by inaccurate statements while not mentioning any of the eminent scholars who have served on the editorial board during or before Pearson’s time.

Correction to JSPES and JIES statements

The Institute for the Study of Man has never owned the Journal of Social, Political and Economic Studies or the Scott-Townsend Publishers imprint. Both of these have always been the property of the Council for Social and Economic Studies. Pearson does not edit the Journal of Indo-European Studies, and Professor James P. Mallory has full editorial authority as General Editor of that journal. JIES is and always has been a peer-reviewed academic publication totally free from politics. Pearson founded the journal in 1972 and was for a number of years co-editor together with the renowned archaeologist Professor Marija Gimbutas (UCLA, now deceased) and linguist Professor Edgar C. Polomé (U.Texas, also now deceased); but he has had no editorial role whatsoever since the year 2000, at which time Professor Mallory became General Editor following the death of the previous General Editor, Edgar Polomé. For verification, see www.jies.org and the masthead of every issue of the journal since 1972, which clearly lists the editorial panel.

What about Pearson's use of pseudonyms admitted in court testimony?

I see you have some concerns about article on Roger Pearson. Because it is not customary to discuss edits to an article on the editor's personal talk page, but rather on the article talk page, I will revert all of your edits (just this once), to encourage you to bring your rationale for your edits over there where they will be seen more readily by other editors. I have only recently begun editing this article, and it may be that there are a lot of factual issues to clarify with good quality sources. Let's discuss those there. I will look up the sources you recommend, and I invite you to look up sources recommended by other editors. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk) 04:53, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Deleting material

It's OK to delete unsourced material from a biography of a living person without asking for a source first. However deleting sourced material is not so good. At a minimum, you should give an explanation for each deletion, and it should be based on Wikipedia policy. But deleting such material is rarely the best course of action. For example, if there is a dispute between sources we wouldn't decide which is right and delete the other. Instead, we'd add both views side by side.   Will Beback  talk  07:34, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

/* Life and work */ Deleted last paragraph.

I deleted: "The Coors Connection notes in a caption under an illustration of Pearson's Eugenics And Race: "Dr. Roger Pearson's racialist theories are circulated worldwide by neo-Nazi and white supremacist organizations." (Bellant 1989"

1. the word Notes implies that the statement is correct, whereas it is only an undocumented allegation. 2. It is not supported by any factual statement of organizations that "circulate Dr. Roger Pearson's racialist theories". 3. It provides no definition of what is a "neo-Nazi and white supremacist organization. 4. Roger Pearson's "racialist theories" take the form of scholarly articles which circulate to university libraries world wide in the form of books and a refereed journal (now in its fifty-first year) that is supported by paid subscriptions from primarily university libraries in North and South American, Europe, Asia and Australasia. His Introduction to Anthropology was a major Freshman/Sophomore textbook published by the then largest publisher of anthropology textbooks (Holt, Rinehart and Winston) and was widely used in US universities.Teddyguyton (talk) 23:32, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

/* Life and work */ Changed "blatantly white supremacist" to "race-oriented"Teddyguyton (talk) 23:40, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

This is a biased observation made only to attack Dr. Pearson. The articles in question were objective, stating historical fact, and did not advocate "white supremacy."Teddyguyton (talk) 23:40, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

June 2012

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Roger Pearson, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you. Editwarring is not going to help you improve the article, it is just going to get you blocked. If you want to improve the article and make it say more nice things about Pearson you need to present sources and add that material. You can't just remove sourced material because you don't like it or disagree with it. ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 13:18, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

July 2012

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did at Roger Pearson, you may be blocked from editing. Thank you. You may argue your case on the talkpage. But there ha sin the past been a solid consensus that Pearson's Nazi affiliations are notable and verifiable and should therefore be included. ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 13:51, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Your so-called "consensus" is merely the repetition of the same smear you continue to use. Instead of my citing sources to prove that Dr. Pearson is NOT a neo-Nazi (proving such a negative obviously can't be done; I can't prove you aren't a neo-Nazi), how about you provide evidence of where Dr. Pearson has advocated totalitarianism, genocide, concentration camps and other Nazi policies?Teddyguyton (talk) 13:58, 15 July 2012 (UTC)