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Yu Byeong-eon

In this diff the removed statement that money was transferred from Odaeyang to Semo, the crime for which Yu was convicted, is covered in previously cited sources. In such a case adding a {{Failed verification}} could have been a way to adress the issue, or, had all cited sources been read, WP:REFNAME could have been applied. For more information please read our guideline Wikipedia:Citing sources. Sam Sailor ^Sing 09:28, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I went back and looked again at all the cited sources, and I failed to find where you are getting that the bulk of the 17 billion won was invested in Semo Group. In my further research, I did find a Reuters article stating that the fraud conviction was for the amount of 1.2 billion won ($1.15 million). So I am afraid I'm going to have to put in a {{Failed verification}} as you suggested.

If you can find a reference that supports your edit, please add it to the article. Otherwise, I'm going to have to revert your changes, and add what I found in the Reuters article. TeamLFB (talk) 16:26, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The money trail is already covered in Asia Times Online (2014-05-22). "The many masks of Yoo Byung-eun". Atimes.com. Retrieved 2014-05-23., quod vide. For details in English on the Odaeyang affair read this. If you feel the need for adding that the conviction was for "only" the amount of 1.2 billion won, go for it.

I looked at the references you've given me. It appears the justification for the word "bulk" actually comes from the Ask a Korean blog? Seeing that is the case, shouldn't a citation have been made to it as well? And yes, I will add the note about the amount related to the conviction because it seems odd to me that it was left out.

I just looked at the article and see that you added some citations to the sentence we've been discussing. Just to clear up any misunderstanding, I have no issue with the 17 million number other than that you also un-did my edit to the won-dollar conversion, which I originally made to make the conversions more consistent within the article. My problem is with the word "bulk" as I have yet to see any justification for it outside of the Ask a Korean link you gave me above. Is there a reason you didn't cite it?

I read the WP:Disruptive_editing page and, if the consensus is that the word "bulk" belongs, I'm willing to drop it. It's just that it bugged me that there appeared (to me) to be un-sourced material in the entry. Nothing more. And then you explained to me where the material actually came from. And then my question became, "Why wasn't this source cited then?" Anyways, I won't be pushing this point any more. I have better things to be doing with my time and better places to expend energy than arguing over a single word.

On another note, you have chosen the username TeamLFB. Is the account being shared? Sam Sailor ^Sing 16:22, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

TeamLFB is a name for a webcomic that I thought up but never actually sat down and wrote/drew. So, right now, it only exists in my head. So, no. The account is not being shared. TeamLFB (talk) 06:35, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

May 2014

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Yu Byeong-eon. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been reverted or removed.

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In this edit the following string of text "Prosecutors also have received testimony stating that Yu ordered the restructuring of the upper floor of the Sewol in order to install an exhibition hall for Ahae's photographs, which may or may not have contributed to the sinking." supported by this source from May 20: Jeong, Hyo-sik (20 May 2014). "Yoo directed Sewol remodeling, testimony says". Joongang Daily., was changed into "Prosecutors are also investigating what role Yu may have played in the remodeling done to the Sewol between October 2012 and February 2013. They have received testimony stating that Yu ordered the restructuring of the upper floor of the Sewol in order to install an exhibition hall for Ahae's photographs, which may or may not have contributed to the sinking." by copy pasting a snip from an older source dated May 9: "Investigators Confirm Ownership of Ferry Operator". english.chosun.com. 2014-05-09.. But upon a closer read of the May 20 source it transpires that the impact of the testimony from the employee of Chonghaejin who was in charge of the refitting had far-reaching consequenses, and that the prosecutors were well passed "investigating what role Yu may have played": "Based on the testimony, prosecutors plan to hold Yoo vicariously liable for the acts of the operator's crew members. Under the vicarious liability law, one can be held liable for the actions of subordinates and employees. "Under the commercial law, a chief executive or president should be responsible for damages incurred by a company even if he or she is not directly related," said a senior prosecutor who is involved in the current investigation into the ferry disaster. ... "Although Yoo is not a chief executive, we've concluded that he is the one who directs operation and execution of business based on evidence. In this case, he should bear the same responsibility as the chief executive"" One of the key points here is vicariously liable. Sam Sailor ^Sing 08:28, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As I stated on the other talk page, I was unaware that the edit I made was based on an older source. I should have been more careful and will make a greater effort to not repeat the error. Thank you for correcting me. TeamLFB (talk) 08:40, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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