User talk:Taylormryan
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[edit]Hello, Taylormryan, and welcome to Wikipedia! My name is Ian and I work with the Wiki Education Foundation; I help support students who are editing as part of a class assignment.
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If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:37, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not for unsupervised homework
[edit]Unless your homework assignment is being supervised by an experienced Wikipedia editor, there is a reasonable probability that your contributions will be removed the moment that your class ends. Here are some tips:
- Do not overwrite mature articles. Make incremental changes or post suggestions on Talk pages.
- Rely on WP:SECONDARY and WP:TERTIARY sources. Please not insert primary references. They will likely be removed.
Pass on this advice to your fellow students and your instructor.
- Remember that Wikipedia is not a textbook, we present knowledge, we dont explain it. WP:NOTTEXTBOOK.
--Smokefoot (talk) 00:15, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
Toluene, dibutylphthalate, etc
[edit]If you want to write about these chemical compounds, insert your contribution into those chemical articles, i.e. toluene, dibutylphthalate. I suspect that what you are saying has already been said in part.
Within nail polish, however, your addition would appear to violate WP:UNDUE, i.e. your addition distorts the emphasis of the article, which is about nail polish, not solvent effects or biodegradation or endocrine disruptors ... nail polish. Your mistake is completely understandable because you are new here and have no supervision from your instructor. So dont feel bad. Try to refashion your contribution and insert into the appropriate articles, maybe making an effort to avoid duplication of content. Stick to general sources - books and reviews, not narrow primary sources. --Smokefoot (talk) 15:22, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
·Smokefoot, we appreciate your feedback regarding our contribution to the Nail Polish Wikipedia page and have taken your suggestions into consideration. However, as there are already two contributions to the Nail Polish page regarding chemical compounds, their chemistry, and their environmental effects, we believe that there is a precedence for our augmentation to the Wikipedia page. Furthermore, we believe that the information does not distort the emphasis of the article due to the fact that these compounds are critical components of nail polish. We have thoroughly reviewed the chemical articles already present and did not find duplicate information to what we have presented on the Nail Polish page. Thank you for your input and please let us know if you have any other suggestions or comments. Fleaux22 (talk) 17:49, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
- Hi there. I came here to add an edit warring template to this talk page, as this editor has now twice re-inserted material that has been removed, and not given rationale for the re-insertion.
- Nail polish is about Nail Polish - not for a massive breakdown and explanation of chemical compounds that go into the polish.
- Whether this page is being monitored by Taylormryan or Fleaux22 you should be aware of the process of WP:BRD - Bold, Revert and Discuss. Once changes have been reverted, rather than just reinserting them - go to the talk page and discuss why you feel they should be present. The onus is on the inserting editor to justify their presence, not on the removing editor to justify their removal.
- So far looking at the above there is no justification on having this excessive detail in the article.
- Constantly adding material is viewed as edit warring, and can lead to blocks - and if this is (as it appears) part of an academic project, I presume that wouldn't help grades much. Chaheel Riens (talk) 21:38, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
November 2017
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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Nail polish. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:
- Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
- Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.
If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Chaheel Riens (talk) 07:41, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
- We have no intention of edit warring and therefore have relocated the bulk of the environmental and chemical information we have gathered to the pages of the respective chemicals, leaving only a very short and concise summary on the nail polish page itself, as was suggested. We were under the impression that this action would resolve the issue of our contributed information being much beyond the scope of what the nail polish page should include, and as a result, would end the edit warring. However, if you do not believe that this is the case and still have concerns regarding our recent method of action, please let us know so we can promptly resolve it! Vwinter95 (talk) 13:34, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
- Hi Chaheel Riens. When first beginning this Wikipedia project, we noticed that there was a sub-section labeled Environmental safety on the Nail polish page that contained an in-depth description of two common components of nail polish - chromium oxide green and Prussian blue. We thought it was appropriate to add onto that sub-section with two other environmentally concerning components of nail polish - dibutyl phthalate and toluene. However, we were told by Smokefoot that these insertions would be better off on the respective chemical Wikipedia pages. At first, we did not understand why the material was taken down and put it right back up. You then removed our insertions, along with previous mature material which backed our reasoning as to why we inserted our material on the nail polish page. Then we understood what Smokefoot was telling us and therefore, we took his advice and inserted our contributions to their respective pages. However, we still have a small paragraph that we believe would be appropriate on the nail polish page as in does not go into details about any components but just list a few facts. With that being said, I am going to re-insert that paragraph to the nail polish page. We would appreciate it if you could offer critique to our addition instead of just taking it down right away. Taylormryan (talk) 18:26, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
- Hello. I have removed the paragraph again. You really need to understand the concept of Bold, Revert, Discuss before you add to the article again. You do not add the information that is still being discussed - I had thought this was clear from the above discussion, but apparently not.
- This is an article on Nail polish. The level of chemical analysis that is being added - and was previously present - are and were excessive. In an article that covers a fashion accessory scientific chemical discourse should be at an absolute minimum - and is sufficiently covered in the sections that have been left in, under Health concerns.
- Additionally, the section that you re-added is essentially covered by the already existing section - that the toxic trio are present and are a health concern.
- We don't add "See also" sections that include links already covered in the article - Dibutyl phthalate is mentioned in the article seven times, and linked several too. I might be persuaded on Toluene toxicity for inclusion, but at the moment it's too technical.
- Finally, at the top of the page there is a statement "Go through our online training for students" especially under section 22, the The Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle. I really suggest you read through the entire training piece. Chaheel Riens (talk) 20:26, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
- Hi Chaheel Riens. When first beginning this Wikipedia project, we noticed that there was a sub-section labeled Environmental safety on the Nail polish page that contained an in-depth description of two common components of nail polish - chromium oxide green and Prussian blue. We thought it was appropriate to add onto that sub-section with two other environmentally concerning components of nail polish - dibutyl phthalate and toluene. However, we were told by Smokefoot that these insertions would be better off on the respective chemical Wikipedia pages. At first, we did not understand why the material was taken down and put it right back up. You then removed our insertions, along with previous mature material which backed our reasoning as to why we inserted our material on the nail polish page. Then we understood what Smokefoot was telling us and therefore, we took his advice and inserted our contributions to their respective pages. However, we still have a small paragraph that we believe would be appropriate on the nail polish page as in does not go into details about any components but just list a few facts. With that being said, I am going to re-insert that paragraph to the nail polish page. We would appreciate it if you could offer critique to our addition instead of just taking it down right away. Taylormryan (talk) 18:26, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
Taylormryan, this is critically important. Never engage in edit wars, and when community members bring issues up, please pay attention to them. Get in touch with me if you need further clarification. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:57, 3 December 2017 (UTC)