User talk:Talteori

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Airports

Just wanted to let you know that airports are rather odd. For US and Canadian airports the elevations and runways are measured in feet. That is the country standard and is in the source. Outside of these two countries the general rule is that elevations are in feet and the runways are in metres. This is an aviation standard and applies even if the country uses metric for everything else. So you get airports like Charles de Gaulle Airport (source) or London Heathrow Airport (source) where the elevation is in feet and the runways are metres and would be like that in the source. Of course this does not always apply and you get some countries that use metres for elevation as well. On top of that some countries, see the Heathrow example, will measure the distance from town in nautical miles while others use kilometres. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 15:36, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

February 2014

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Height

Be aware that there is a reason we list it so that it converts. Also many of these players play in North America and the majority of sources list it with feet. For this reason we list feet and inches and pounds first. To accommodate European players/readers we have the conversion happen. -DJSasso (talk) 13:30, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The majority of American sources, this is a completely invalid argument. If you write an article about foxes and your sources is American is that a reason for the wikipedia manual of style to be overridden? Is there any reason what so ever to list players that don't play in north america in units that is only official in a foreign country. Wikipedia is an international project and not an american encyclopedia. What about american players playing in Europe? Wikipedia is metric by default. We can have conversions and follow the wikipedia manual of style. metric (usc) for players that are not from UK, Burma, Liberia, UK and Canada. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Talteori (talk • contribs)

We aren't over riding the manual of style. The manual of style just indicates to use meters in some cases. So we do, we list both. -DJSasso (talk) 13:45, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers#Which_units_to_use Other articles

For other articles, Wikipedia has adopted a system of writing a "main" quantity followed by a conversion in parentheses (see Unit conversions below).

   In non-science US-related articles: the main quantity is generally expressed in US customary units (97 pounds (44 kg)).
   In non-science and non-engineering UK-related articles: the main quantity is generally expressed in metric units (44 kilograms (97 lb)), but imperial units are still used as the main units in some contexts, including:[8]
       miles, miles per hour, and fuel consumption in miles per imperial gallon;
       feet/inches and stones/pounds for personal height and weight;
       imperial pints for draught beer/cider and bottled milk.
       hands for horses and most other equines
   All other articles: the main unit is generally an SI unit or a non-SI unit officially accepted for use with the SI.

Wikipedia uses metric as default unless there are strong reasons not to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Talteori (talk • contribs) 13:55, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please keep this discussion in one place. Yes and the strong reason to do so is that in hockey the primary measurement even in countries that use metric for measurements is to do so in feet/pounds etc. -DJSasso (talk) 14:01, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I am not very familiar with messages on wikipedia. No feet and pounds are not used at all in SHL and KHL. I could say Swedish is the primary language of hockey because 98% of the information on NHL I get is in Swedish. Just look at the swedish language articles about hockey players. We get all our information about the NHL in metric. I didn't even know the small rinks where based on feet until this year. There is no reason to go against the manual of style for this one.

pounds (kg) is only used in US specific articles and certain articles about the UK. I don't see how Peter Forsberg is a US specific article considering that he played in the Olympics for Sweden and is seen as a national hero.

Changing height/weight on Swedish players articles

Hi Talteori. I just wanted you to know that there is a reason why data about height and weight of NHL players are in US customary units in Wikipedia infoboxes. It's that most NHL sources list the height and weight in customary units. If this data was to change on Lundqvist's page on the New York Rangers website (for example) it would be easier to update the page if the information was in US customary units. Besides, I recommend you use common sense when applying Wikipedia policies such as the Manual of Style. This is to make sure that edits remain constructive. Thank you! Permafrost46 (talk) 19:57, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Warning about edit warring

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What I have been told about this issue is that the National Hockey League draws players from many different countries, and now most of the them live and work in the United States. As a result, a consensus of editors determined that there should be an exception when applying the Manuel of Style to these pages: US customary units should primarily be used consistently across all NHL players articles, regardless of each player's nationality. As the editors Djsasso and Permafrost46 posted above, most NHL sources primarily use these units. Having a consistent format across all biographies on NHL players makes it easier for editors to maintain, and allows readers to more easily compare their statistics, when an NHL season is in progress.

Even if you disagree with this consensus, please do not continue to edit war and revert multiple editors. Again, Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers is only a guideline, and applying it to articles is subject to consensus. Wikipedia:Edit warring is however a strict policy and editors who consistently edit war against multiple editors can be blocked from editing. Thank you. Zzyzx11 (talk) 20:54, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Wikipedia manual of style says metric units unless it is a US specific article. Nearly all of these players have played professionally in Sweden and played on the Swedish Olympic team. The Swedish Olympic athletes all have their stats in metric except the hockey players. If someone has played three seasons in Sweden, are born in raised in Sweden and competed in the olympics a few weeks ago winning a medal for Sweden are American because they played a bit in the NHL. The hockey players would be the only Swedish Olympic athletes not using metric on Wikipedia.

Also some of the players have never ever played in North America yet they keep putting their stats in feet, inches and pounds. If we are consistent with the rule of using the units where the players are currently playing American players in Europe should be in metric not to mention European players who always have played in Europe. Djasso for example claims that Swedish players who have played their entire career in Europe should still be in USC.

Also that most NHL sources are in USC isn't true, in each source on the bottom of the article the weight is listed in dual units. The editors in hand come from North America. Of course they get their news in USC. They could say weather reports are usually in Fahrenheit as well since nearly all weather is provided. In the rest of the world all NHL stats are given in metric, Olympic games, SHL and KHL are all completely metric.

We seem to have a group of North American editors who want all hockey pages to be in USC even the European ones. There are lots of different sports where US atheltes have their stats in feet and pounds and the rest of the world in metric. I don't see what is wrong with slaloms system: List_of_Olympic_medalists_in_alpine_skiing#Slalom — Preceding unsigned comment added by Talteori (talk • contribs)

Hi Talteori! There are a few points I'd like to make

We seem to have a group of North American editors who want all hockey pages to be in USC even the European ones. The nationality of editors involved is completely irrelevant to this discussion, please be careful about your choice of words. Consensus is Wikipedia's fundamental model for editorial decision-making. Consensus can sometimes mean widely accepted exceptions to the Manual of Style.
This discussion is not about which system of units is the most widely used worldwide, it is about what system of units is used for convenience on Wikipedia for Ice Hockey related articles. Like Zzyzx11 wrote, having a consistent format across all biographies on NHL players makes it easier for editors to maintain, and allows readers to more easily compare their statistics, when an NHL season is in progress. Sometimes this carries over to non-NHL player pages since a lot of editors work on hockey pages of non-NHL players as well. If you disagree with this consensus, you should take it to the WikiProject Ice hockey talk page. This page can be found here.
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Thanks! Permafrost46 (talk) 13:24, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

April 2014

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Daniel Alfredsson. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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You've been warned per the result of the 3RR case. You may be blocked the next time you change a hockey player's height or weight into the metric system unless you get consensus first. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 00:08, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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