User talk:Taglman

July 2010

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Internet Archives

The Kovacs material from Internet Archive has a Creative Commons license; have now posted those links on the Ernie Kovacs talk page. FWIW, there's more Jack Benny TV shows there also in public domain. There's a ton of interesting info on this guy that turned up while reading old newspapers, magazines, etc.

Have no objection to the Twitter/MySpace links if no one else does, now that they've been explained. Think we both started on the wrong foot and misread each other, so let's start fresh and work on the Kovacs-related WP pages.

We hope (talk) 03:57, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Taglman (talk) 18:49, 26 July 2010 (UTC) I appreciate it. I've wondered for a while about the Creative Commons license. How does that work exactly? I looked it up but I'm not quite getting it. Is the license issued by the copyright holder? That KOTC video used to be sold by Video Yesteryear, a company that no longer exists. It was commercially available on VHS for a number of years and then it was gone; I had heard Edie Adams had asked them to stop selling it.

We hope (talk) 22:42, 26 July 2010 (UTC) Have never researched the Creative Commons license, but know it's what WP and its related sites are using also:

Creative Commons-Wikipedia

The most I've ever personally dealt with it was with some graphics I did a while back for a Wikia site-did the forms to release them for public use under Creative Commons. In having a look at what's at the Internet Archive under Creative Commons license, an entire Perry Como movie, Doll Face, turned up and is in public domain, as well as some episodes from his TV shows. According to the information for one of the early Como TV shows, copyrights for live shows in the 1950's weren't renewed a lot.

Perry Como Show 1954

"As with most live TV shows of the 50's, The copyright was NOT renewed."

Re: Talk messages, when someone uses your Talk page, you'll get a notification, as I did with the note you left about not being 100% sure how the Talk Page thing works. Other than that, you'd need to keep watching the Talk Page of the person to see if he/she has replied.

Taglman (talk) 17:53, 28 July 2010 (UTC) Thanks for the info on this and the talk page use; it's most appreciated. I always thought copyright lasted the life of the performer + 75 years; I'm assuming that perhaps it wasn't Ernie who had the copyright on this but NBC and perhaps it's different for TV shows, I'm thinking of songs really. I'm just curious who grants them the license. That's an interesting site and seems to give quite an in depth look at some very obscure early TV history.

Kovacs Question

Has anyone ever established that Ernie revived the EEFMS at WBCS-that it wasn't strictly something done at WPTZ only? If not, I think I can provide proof of that after going through some different EEFMS material.

BTW-Internet Archive is a life saver when doing any kind of online web work. It happens so often that a ref or a link was valid when entered on a page or site, but not so later on and you get various error messages. When that happens, you can often find an old version of the page at the Archive Wayback Machine. This segment of it isn't searchable; you need to copy the "dead" URL and see if there are any saved pages.

We hope (talk) 16:02, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

I've seen a WPTZ EEFMS card and a WCBS one on. WCBS was on the the erniekovacs.net site and WPTZ was on The Ernie Kovacs Blog. They are both slightly different. Both had the call letters of their respective stations printed on them. The one from WPTZ had Ernie's famous slogan "It's Been Real" printed on it while the one from WCBS did not. Here is a direct quote from page 101 of Diana Rico's book "Kovacsland: A Biography Of Ernie Kovacs" regarding that slogan:

"It would become a Kovacs tradition, one that he carried over to later shows and that is associated with him to this day."

Rico's book only mentions EEFMS on page 101 and doesn't refer to the card being carried over specifically, but given the above information I think we can reasonably ascertain that he carried it over to other shows. I'm not sure for how long though, perhaps just to "Kovacs Unlimited" at WCBS.

Taglman (talk) 19:33, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

If you look at what went with the WBCS card at the auction (page 34), you'll see that it came with a letter written on CBS stationery and envelope. What initially caught my eye was the titling for his signature; the cards given out at WCBS give Ernie the title of "WBCS Janitor".

Over time, I did note that some of the by-laws had changed a bit too, but we've heard mainly about EEFMS in Philly. Of course, when you're not working early mornings any more, that puts an end to something like this. ;-)

We hope (talk) 20:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

The card from the HA catalog must have been given out to fans of KU since that is the correct time period; even though EK also hosted a variety show at night on WCBS for several months that coincided with KU, EEFMS would most likely would have only been mentioned on KU since it was a morning show and it's whole gimmick was that it was "early morning". I noticed they also had the ubiquitous KU signed card on the next page. Those are much easier to find. Here is the WPTZ EEFMS from The Ernie Kovacs Blog and the WCBS version from erniekovacs.net. I noticed the bylaw changes as well. Hilarious!:-)

From my own research I know there is only one extant episode of KU; I've seen it and I don't think EEFMS was mentioned in it. Since no surviving episodes of TTGR exist I don't think there is any video of EK talking about it or showing it. Too bad.

Taglman (talk) 00:37, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Ernie Kovacs

Hi. Please do not re-add links to unofficial blogs as you did to Ernie Kovacs. Unless a blog is written and maintained by a recognized authority on the subject, they should not be added per WP:ELNO. Pinkadelica^♣ 18:02, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Actually, you need to get consensus to add these back instead of edit warring them back in because they don't meet Wikipedia's external link guidelines. The MySpace link is very clearly a fansite as is the blog. There's no information given on the blog to indicate who runs or if it is sanctioned by Kovacs' estate. Further, any pertinent information about Kovacs, DVD releases, etc. should be available at Kovacs' official website which is given in the article. In short, the official link and the links to two different fansites are actually good enough. Pinkadelica^♣ 18:52, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

The problem is you are edit warring to push in links that do not meet Wikipedia standards. It doesn't matter where these links pop up or who says they're ok off Wikipedia - they don't meet this site's standards. Pinkadelica^♣ 18:58, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

I have opened on RfC on the matter on the article's talk page. You're free to explain why these links should be included there. In the future, please don't simply roll back changes others have made without looking at all that was done. In your effort to re-add the links, you also undid various changes I made to text and the metadata. Pinkadelica^♣ 19:11, 2 March 2011 (UTC)