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Matsudaira clan
Matsudaira clan
	Matsudaira clan crest
Home province	Mikawa Province
Parent house	Minamoto clan
Titles	Various
Founder	Matsudaira Chikauji
Final ruler	Tokugawa Yoshinobu
Current head	Tokugawa Tsunenari
Founding year	14th century
Dissolution	still extant
Cadet branches	Various

Matsudaira clan
Matsudaira clan
Parent house	Minamoto clan
Country	Japan
Founded	ca. 14th century
Founder	Matsudaira Chikauji
Current head	Tokugawa Tsunenari
Titles	Varied depending on branch

This is my talk page. I will remind you all that I have a policy against personal attacks. That being said, I welcome open and rational discussion. -Tadakuni 06:15, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Articles for deletion

You've been sending a lot of articles to WP:AFD when they can just be tagged with a speedy deletion tag (see WP:CSD). Please, if you think it can be speedily deleted, tag the article with a speedy tag instead. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 00:51, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion

It isn't fun to have things deleted is it. You can just revert it back to normal. I can't. It would have been nice of you to let me have my fun for a day, so I could make web archives and save them onto my desktop, but you didn't. You deleted them. I contacted an admin to see if I could get them back for a bit, but I don't think it will happen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jedijbp (talk • contribs) 00:56, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jedijbp- first of all, if someone blanks your userpage (or any other page), as you did mine, you too can revert it. Simply go into "history" and click "undo" on the most recent edit. Anyone, whether registered or IP editor, can do that. Secondly, what you did is blanking. What I did is nominating for deletion. There is a difference. Thirdly, if you were looking to type things up, perhaps you could have used something (like Microsoft Word) on your computer (and not on Wikipedia). This is an encyclopedia, and it is not a place for you or me or anyone to write "joke" articles about themselves. Thank you for understanding. -Tadakuni (talk) 01:06, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Josh dooley speedily deleted

Hello, I closed the AFD as Speedy Deletion. The article met at least two criteria for speedy deletion-- A7, no assertion of notability, and A1, no context. Cheers, Dloh cierekim 01:09, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Further Deletion

I thought what I had written there was rational enough. Why do you simply pretend I never said anything, rather than talk to me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jedijbp (talk • contribs) 01:05, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RFA

You needed to transclude the RFA, which I have done for you. bibliomaniac 1 5 23:42, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Shinpan daimyō

Hi Tadakuni, and thanks as always for your creations and improvements (such as Satake clan).

I wonder if you'd consider Category:Shinpan daimyo (no macron) in place of Category:Shinpan daimyō? It would match "daimyo" in other articles and categories, e.g. Daimyo, Category:Daimyo, Category:Fudai daimyo, and Category:Tozama daimyo.

Without easy access to the Chicago Manual of Style, I can't quote it. But I think it singles out "daimyo" as a word to style as English. If you have a recent edition, you might find it in the section on writing Japanese terms.

As the English form it seems ideal for a title. The expression "shinpan daimyo" would then have a mixture of a Japanese word with an English one derived from Japanese. Even though it might seem odd, this sort of combination is not a problem for scholars such as Marius Janssen, who in The Making of Modern Japan (Harvard, 2000) writes, on page 38, "fudai daimyo" with the italic type for the foreign word and no macron on the English. Janssen does use macrons; he writes, for example, "Chōshū" and "Mōri" on the same page. Janssen edited Volume 5 of The Cambridge History of Japan, and there too wrote "daimyo" without a macron.

Since categories can't be moved, I advocate naming them early before populating them with a lot of articles.

Best regards,

Fg2 (talk) 13:44, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

While I'm not really a fan of rendering "daimyo" as an English word (no italics, no macron), I do know that Monumenta Nipponica lists it among the terms that they, according to their in-house Manual of Style, render as an English word. LordAmeth (talk) 15:51, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with LordAmeth, however, for the sake of consistency, I'm gonna go with what you said, Fg2. Thanks for writing. Tadakuni (talk) 17:35, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to both LordAmeth and Tadakuni. Fg2 (talk) 01:04, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your RFA

Best wishes for your RFA -- Tinu Cherian - 06:36, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sakai clan

Please consider the format edits at Sakai clan#Family heads? A modest improvement? --Tenmei (talk) 17:41, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tenmei- good idea! Thanks for your improvement. Tadakuni (talk) 18:49, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your user page menu

Hi Tadakuni :) The image of a telephone on your user page menu links to User talk:Example. I thought you would like to fix it, to save future visitors the embarrassment of thinking, "What's all this stuff about non-existent users? Alternate account of who? Huh?", which may or may not have been exactly what I was thinking... Maedin\^talk 18:31, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My, how embarrasing! Many thanks. Tadakuni (talk) 18:48, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Matsudaira clan and Template:Family name

Hi Tadakuni,

I'm planning to participate in the Peer Review of Matsudaira clan, and in looking at the article I wonder if there's any alternative to the {{Family name}} template. The thing I don't like about that template is its built-in external link to a commercial web site, "Behind the Name," that seems irrelevant to Japanese clan names (returning no data for Matsudaira, as it did for Nanbu).

If you don't know of another template, here are a few constructive suggestions. One, modify the existing template to include a switch to turn off the external link. Something that cannot be a name, such as a percent sign, could function as the switch. If I knew how to build templates, I'd probably do that. In fact, I'd turn it off by default, and use the switch to turn it on (I don't believe an external link to a commercial web site should be displayed by default). Two, build a new template with a name such as {{Japanese clan name}} or {{Japanese historical surname}} by removing the link from the Family name template. I'm sorry I can't fix the problem myself. Some members of Wikiproject:Japan such as Nihonjoe have been instrumental in working with templates, and he or someone else there might know how to carry out one of the above suggestions, in case you don't have the expertise.

Thanks as always for this first-rate contribution to Wikipedia! Fg2 (talk) 03:30, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fg2- many thanks for participating in the peer review of Matsudaira clan! I had a look at a European royal house (House of Windsor), and perhaps its template ({{Royal house}} would be a good interim measure instead of the family name template? Meanwhile I can look into how to make a new template like the ones you suggest above. Do you think the royal house template works? Again, many thanks. Tadakuni (talk) 04:01, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fg2- for the Matsudaira clan, the Royal House template would look like this:

What do you think? Perhaps the coat of arms field can contain the picture that the article's family name infobox already has? Tadakuni (talk) 04:09, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

...come to think of it, this is kind of a really nitpicky question, but Tokugawa Tsunenari does count as current head of the "main" Matsudaira family, right? Since it only became renamed and all but it's still the continuation of the same family? Tadakuni (talk) 05:54, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fg2- I have created {{Japanese clan name}}. Right now it's a copy of {{Royal house}}, but I'll be editing it at length tomorrow. Thanks for the suggestion! Tadakuni (talk) 06:18, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First test

Here's the first test, Fg2...what do you think? My only real issue is that I can't seem to get it to display a caption in the same box as the image, in the way that the Family name template does. Tadakuni (talk) 06:42, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is a good direction to move in. You may want to ask more people for their opinions before getting too deep into it. I'm not sure whether "deposition" is appropriate for a clan, since a clan could arise without ruling anything, or could continue to rule (as many daimyo did) as governors, maybe in some of the new prefectures but not others -- it makes it difficult to specify a single date. But we can work out details like that at more leisure.

Incidentally, in looking at the Japanese article on Tokugawa Tsunenari, I saw a tidbit that would be a nice addition to Matsudaira clan. Fg2 (talk) 10:32, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fg2- looking forward to your contributions to Matsudaira clan! As far as deposition goes, I figure it meant when the clan was deposed from its position as "ruler." In the case of the main Matsudaira/Tokugawa line it'd be the Abolition of the han system but, say, in the case of the Kato clan of Kyushu it'd be a kaieki (attainder). Is there perhaps a better word, something to the effect of "final fate"? Tadakuni (talk) 14:37, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question 4

I've add a follow-up to a question you've already answered:

Now that some time has passed since you answered this question, perhaps you might want to try again to express yourself in different words? Your rhetorical tactic is evasive in this context. As I see it, Asenine crisply summarized the focus: "Which is more important, verifiability or consensus?" If you don't construe this question as deserving a more thoughtful and revealing response, my question becomes "Why not?"

It seems reasonable to press for a more fully-developed comment and analysis. In my view, this is a hard, fast pitch, but it is not at all inappropriate in this context. Your answer will be read by a number of editors who would not necessarily pay much attention to what you do or say in other venues. This becomes a unique opportunity to affect the evolving consensus on a key point which comes up again and again in all sorts of circumstances.

Now that your elevation to the ranks of administrators is virtually assured, you have an opportunity to introduce a salutatory comment. In effect, my question becomes an invitation to convert this confirmation exercise into something constructive.

Asenine presented a lady or the tiger conundrum -- excellent, unavoidable, illuminating. The only correct answer is the one which illuminates the way in which the alternatives and consequences are evaluated. The question goes to the heart of the reasoning processes which inform good judgment. It also creates an opportunity to grapple with the most difficult challenge which the most highly-valued administrators face with grace and tact -- expressing themselves persuasively and constructively.

Diplomacy is sometimes the art of avoiding saying anything which might possibly cause a ripple of a problem to arise; and many appear to have been persuaded that this kind of non-specific diplomatic prose will serve Wikipedia's broader, long-term objectives. I see the merit in that cautious, restrained attitude; however, in my view, in this very limited setting, that approach is misplaced. This is a unique opportunity and a more revealing answer to a difficult question should be seen as appropriate, seemly, and welcome. --Tenmei (talk) 17:43, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notability of James E. McPherson

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Congratulations

Congratulations on your RfA passing! Here are some useful links for you:

If you have any questions, feel free to drop me a line and I (or another experienced admin) will be more than happy to help you out.

Congrats again! EVula // talk // ☯ // 00:33, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In addition to the boilerplate above, I'd like to reiterate my suggestion that you have a couple of admins you can go to for questions; there were some valid concerns, and I think that'd be the best way to allay those concerns. EVula // talk // ☯ // 00:33, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations, and feel free to get in touch in there's anything you find yourself unsure about. WJBscribe (talk) 00:35, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. Congrats. I don't really know you that well, but I'm definitely glad your RfA passed and I'm sure you will make a fine admin. Thingg ^⊕^⊗

Congratulations, Tadakuni! Fg2 (talk) 04:32, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations. I also passed my RfA at the 'Crats discretion and, while I may not be the most experienced sysop on the block, I would be pleased to provide any guidance you feel I might be able to provide. Welcome to the club (just don't swing it too vigorously at first!) LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:05, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well done. I'd also offer myself up as a sounding board before doing anything you are unsue or uncomfortable with. The rule is pretty simple - if in doubt don't. Pedro : Chat 19:55, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That is possibly the most succinct (and best) advice that you can get, Tadakuni. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 23:19, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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RfA Help

Hi Tadakuni. Firstly, congratulations on your adminship. I'm certain you deserve it. I am seeking some advice. I am currently up at RfA and my RfA is looking strikingly similar to yours. It seems that my low project space contributions are causing concerns about my administrator abilities. Do you have any advice that you could give me to overcome these hurdles? Any general RfA advice? Thanks in advance. Mvjs Talking 05:14, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies for the delay. To be honest with you, I think what helped me win in the end was that I have an established, strong history of good, substantial editing; I also have a history of erring on the side of caution and asking for help when I need it. I could have very easily failed, but the bureaucrat who reviewed my case decided that the benefits outweighed the risks, I suppose. At any rate, I'd say just try, even now, to start getting into project space stuff; I took my RfA as an opportunity to do the same. Best regards. Tadakuni (talk) 21:51, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Multi-step vandalism

O, Great and Powerful Administrator Tadakuni-sama -- An anonymous editor has deleted the major part of Historic eruptions of Mount Fuji; and I wondered what to do? I wondered if this is this the sort of problem which I can now ask you to help repair? --Tenmei (talk)

O, Great and Powerful Man Behind the Curtain -- As soon as I'd finished leaving this message for you, I figured out how to resolve the vandalism myself ... but I know where turn in future. --Tenmei (talk) 14:36, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Editing an image caption

When you have time, I'd appreciate it if you'd give some thought to a caption I've written for an image of a letter written by Toda Ujitaka, which is posted at Ōgaki Domain. In this context, maybe the focus of the caption needs to be sharpened? --Tenmei (talk) 19:47, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Assessments"

I've been working off and on with the "battle of Imizu" and was wondering how you get an article assessed. I think it is more than a stub, and although I still have a lot more info that I can add, I am curious where it falls - how do I get an assessment? Do people randomly assess articles? Thanks for any info from a relative newbie. --BradTraylor (talk) 00:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Maeda Nariyasu

Wonder if we could change Matsudaira Yasumasa to Matsudaira Daini Yasumasa.

Thanks Pete Sammamish, WA

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Matsudaira Clan Question

Dear Tadakuni; I enjoyed reading your Matsudaira clan wiki page. We are researching our family history.

In the Matsudaira clan web page there is a reference in Pre Edo Branches to:

"and Kaga (加賀, Kaga?). Each of these branches (with the exception of the Kaga-Matsudaira, which relocated to Kaga Province) took its name from the area in Mikawa where it resided."

I had not seen references to in my search of Japanese language web page is for Pre Edo "Kaga Matsudaira", except for one listing regarding families serving Oda Nobunaga generals.

My ancestor Matsudaira Yasumoto was Lord of Ibo Castle in 1500s, but something happened to him. His wife, and two sons, younger brother/nephew left Mikawa in late 1500s and went to Kaga. The reference to Kaga Matsudaira is about my ancestors.

This is not to be confused with the Maeda Kaga Matsudaira. Maeda clan was given the name Matsudaira and use of the crest, but this was after start of Edo period.

I was wondering what Japanese literature source you found your information from regarding Kaga Matsudaira. This would be extremely helpful in our search.

Pete Sammamish, WA —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.197.220.61 (talk) 18:17, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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