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Vanamonde93 (talk) 20:05, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 2024

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Information icon Hello, I'm Vanamonde93. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Vanamonde93 (talk) 20:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TRinket Lad, the sources must be about the topic, here Leicester unrest. You cannot insert random material from random sources based on your own judgement. That is WP:UNDUE. You should also refrain from WP:edit warring. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 07:08, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Please use talkpages to attempt to form consensus for your changes, instead of edit edit warring (you have not yet edited a single talkpage), and please read WP:BURDEN. Avoid using sources irrelevant to content added, as here, and also avoid coatracking irrelevant content, as here. Please read WP:ONUS. If you continue editing tendentiously and insisting on poorly sourced additions without consensus, you will be sanctioned (either blocked or topic banned). Bishonen | tålk 08:00, 8 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Hello, I understand and hope you're doing well. Given your expertise on the subject, I wanted to reach out and ask if you would be willing to contribute your knowledge by adding information about the three recent temple destruction incidents which i published in my edit https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Hindus&oldid=1222723187 with the sources i thought were reliable under Pakistan>Post 1971. Your insights would be invaluable in providing accurate and detailed accounts of these events, enriching Wikipedia's content. TRinket Lad (talk) 14:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you please explain how the sources you added here support claims like "However, Afghan Hindu population dwindled to just 30-40 individuals in 2021 due to Religious persecution, discrimination, and forced conversion of Hindus in Afghanistan perpetrated by Muslims, accompanied by mass destruction and conversion of Hindu temples into mosques throughout Afghanistan." and the claim that the Qutb Minar was somehow converted from Hindu temples? Please note that that page is about buildings being repurposed, not construction materials. Vanamonde93 (talk) 15:37, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While I appreciate your inquiry and the opportunity to explain, it's important to acknowledge that addressing multiple complex topics simultaneously can be challenging. Given the intricacies involved in explaining the sources and their relation to the claims made, it might be more convenient to focus our initial efforts on establishing a comprehensive understanding of the three recent temple destruction incidents i included under Persecution of Hindus>Present-day South Asia>Pakistan>Post 1971 here, which occurred in July 14 2023, July 16 2023, and April 2024. Once we've clarified and come to an agreement on these specific instances, we can then proceed to address other aspects, such as the repurposing of buildings and the conversion of construction materials. TRinket Lad (talk) 04:17, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's pretty simple: from now on, don't use sources if explaining their relation to your claims is too "challenging" for you, or you will be blocked. And please use your own words when responding to good-faith comments and questions; don't enlist an AI bot to write clichés for you. It's disrespectful. Bishonen | tålk 09:13, 9 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]
i understand and apologize for any confusion. By "challenging," I meant addressing each point individually for clarity. Thats all. TRinket Lad (talk) 10:10, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here (p. 32,56) is the Archaelogical Survey of India report on Qutb Minar. It suggests that mosque retained elements of the original temple's structure up to the level of the plinth, which is the base or foundation of a building. The description indicates that the portion of the mosque corresponding to the western half of its quadrangle coincides with layout of the temple that once stood there. The iron pillar built by Chandragupta II of Gupta Dynasty for Hindu god Garuda is still standing today set in the inner court of the Quwwat-ul-Islam Mosque. TRinket Lad (talk) 10:27, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You have completely ignored my question about Afghanistan. As to the Qutb Minar, that source does not say what you think it does; a mosque being built on the ruins of a demolished temple is not what that Wikipedia page claims to be about, and is in any case only applicable to a single mosque, not the Qutb Minar complex in its entirety. I am once again going to remove that content, as it is not supported by sources that are fit for purpose. Please read WP:V, WP:RS, and WP:NOR carefully, and find strong sources to explicitly support any content you wish to add in the future. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The source stating 'The mosque embodied within itself a definite portion of a demolished Hindu temple up to the plinth level' and 'The iron pillar, situated in the inner court of the Quwwat-ul-Islam Mosque,' seems of a case of conversion to me. i agree with the point regarding the entire Qutb Minar complex. However, I'd like to inquire about the necessity of removing the entire content instead of perhaps just replacing 'Qutb Minar complex' with 'Quwwat-ul-Islam Mosque'? TRinket Lad (talk) 18:45, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For the Afghanistan question, literally all i did was to look at the numbers and sources given in the Hinduism in Afghanistan section like here here here here all of them have consensus about 700 000 Hindus and Sikhs being present in Afghanistan in the 70s, which decreased to 220 000 in 1992 with recent estimates ranging from only dozens to a few hundred individuals. TRinket Lad (talk) 19:20, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the 'Bijamandal mosque' of one of the rows removed, if we go to this Vidisha city page, then to 'Historic places and monuments' and the two sources provided there here(pp. 120-22) and here(pp. 107–113), they say that the small mosque stands on top of the earlier temple plinth with one of its pillars containing a Sanskrit inscription expressing devotion to goddess Charchika and mentioning Naravarman, the Paramāra king who ruled from CE 1094 to 1134. Both of the sources also specify that the original structure wasn't pulled down but instead converted to a mosque. TRinket Lad (talk) 04:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bhojshala/Kamal Maula Mosque, is another temple turned mosque that u removed without checking the source here cited in the source one bit. TRinket Lad (talk) 12:45, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bhojshala/Kamal Maula Mosque, is another temple turned mosque that u removed without checking the source here(p. 135) cited in the notes one bit.* "The historical fact about Dhar (Bhojshala) is that it was a Saraswati temple. It was converted into an Islamic mosque." said KK Muhammed, a former ASI official. here, and look who's being evasive now. TRinket Lad (talk) 13:02, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm concerned that you're not actually listening to what I, or Bishonen, have said to you. When you add content to an article, it is your responsibility to demonstrate that it is completely verifiable, and your responsibility to reach consensus in favor of its inclusion. Copying from another article doesn't excuse a lack of verifiability. And when you are reverted, you need to open a discussion on the talk page, and explain your reasons for making the additions you want. And before you do so, please read the policy pages I told you to about original research and reliable sources. I'm stepping away from this discussion now. If you bring well-founded suggestions to the talk page of an article, you will find people willing to engage with you. If you continue to insert poorly sourced content, you will likely end up blocked. Vanamonde93 (talk) 21:14, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think you are repeating the same thing over and over again, even when I haven't added any content to the article in days. It's a simple question: whether Quwwat-ul-Islam Mosque, Bijamandal Mosque, and Kamal Maula Mosque were made by converting temples or not. Tell me whether the sources I provided during our earlier conversations are true or false. If it's true, then I would like you to add this content to the article since you removed it, or you can tell me, and I will do it. TRinket Lad (talk) 06:28, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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