User talk:TOMKIMMEL

Please see the bottom of this page for the most recent comments. -- Mufka ^(u) ^(t) ^(c) 21:31, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On December 12, 1941, the Director of the FBI, J. Edgar Hoover told the President of the United States that an FBI source reported in strictest confidence that: Army and Navy Intelligence in Washington, DC had learned the entire Japanese attack plan days before the attack, and sent it to Admiral Kimmel, the Commander-in-Chief of the Pacific Fleet in Hawaii, who did nothing about it.

Mr. Hoover soon supplied this information to Supreme Court Associate Justice Owen Roberts, Chairman of the Roberts Commission, the tribunal immediately appointed to investigate the Pearl Harbor disaster. Justice Roberts tried but could not prove that Kimmel had this information and failed to act on it. But then Roberts failed to follow Mr. Hoover’s logically suggested written investigative leads in Washington, D.C., as to whether this information was available in Washington and simply not sent to Hawaii. And then later, Roberts inexplicably lied to Congress about where he got the original allegation against Kimmel.[1]--TOMKIMMEL--TOMKIMMEL (talk) 20:39, 15 July 2009 (UTC)see www.pearlharborattack911attack.com, download & links, "Why Did Pearl Harbor Occur," for details and sources.[reply]

July 2009

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Hi Tom. It is my assumption that you are Husband Kimmel's son. I know that you are an authority on subjects relating to your father's involvement in some of the world's most controversial events. Your input here is certainly valued but we have policies against what we call original research. If you have authored material that you feel is relevant to an existing Wikipedia article, it is best that you make the availability of this information known on the respective article's talk page. That way an uninvolved third party can evaluate the information to see that it adheres to our neutral point of view policy. The guideline on citing oneself might be useful as well. You definitely have a conflict of interest in this so we need to be especially careful about what information gets included in articles – that is not a suggestion that none of your contributions can be included. Let me know if you have questions about this. -- Mufka ^(u) ^(t) ^(c) 21:03, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On December 12, 1941, the Director of the FBI, J. Edgar Hoover told the President of the United States that an FBI source reported in strictest confidence that: Army and Navy Intelligence in Washington, DC had learned the entire Japanese attack plan days before the attack, and sent it to Admiral Kimmel, the Commander-in-Chief of the Pacific Fleet in Hawaii, who did nothing about it.

Mr. Hoover soon supplied this “reliably reported” information to Supreme Court Associate Justice Owen Roberts, Chairman of the Roberts Commission, the tribunal immediately appointed to investigate the Pearl Harbor disaster. Justice Roberts tried but could not prove that Kimmel had this information and failed to act on it. But then Roberts failed to follow Mr. Hoover’s logically suggested written investigative leads in Washington, D.C., as to whether this information was available in Washington and simply not sent to Hawaii. And then later, Roberts inexplicably lied to Congress about where he got the original allegation against Kimmel.[1]--TOMKIMMEL

MUFKA, IS THE PRECEDING OK? REGARDS, TK

The text itself seems to be ok for the most part. The quotes around "reliably reported" places undue emphasis in a place where the statement needs to remain neutral. In order for this statement to be suitable for inclusion, because you are undeniably connected to the subject, you'd need to provide reliable sources separate from yourself to back up the statements. In this case, since it might be considered a fringe theory, it would need to be supported by multiple reliable sources. I assume that this is all public information so providing third party sources should not be a problem. Since you and I alone will not be able to come to a consensus that will stand up to community scrutiny, I suggest that we move this discussion to Talk:Husband E. Kimmel where others can participate. Opening it up to a wider forum may draw in some hardliners, but I'm sure you will be able to make a rational argument. See you there. -- Mufka ^(u) ^(t) ^(c) 13:02, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

One more thing. When editing in public discussion spaces, be sure to put new text under old text, use : at the beginning of a line to indent (multiple for multiple indents), and sign your comments using ~~~~ at the end. -- Mufka ^(u) ^(t) ^(c) 13:06, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]