User talk:Sweerek/Malice engineering

Hello. I would appreciate other computer security researchers / engineers to improve this page.

delete

I'm proposing this for deletion. The reason is, I was unable to find any reference to this term in any published literature. If you can find instances of this term, which define it, then please provide those sources. A single video is not enough IMHO to make this term notable enough to merit a wikipedia article, per wp:notability and wp:neo --KarlB (talk) 03:58, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If delete, than what better term?

Mr. Brown thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia and the Rockefeller Foundation.

Please google "malicious engineering". You will find many uses of the term, but.... herein lies the challenge. Those usages are 1) more descriptive of engineering itself (i.e. 'that was some good engineering') rather than categorizing it (i.e. 'he was an electrical engineer') and 2) emphasizes the negative aspect of it (e.g. to find an exploit) rather than than the positive aspect (i.e. to defend against a potential exploit).

I'm not necessarily beholden to the term 'malice engineering'. Can you think of / google a better one? The term 'security engineering' as defined within Wikipedia is too broad as it encompasses both safety/reliability aspect (nature, random chance, typical failures) and malicious, intentional actions by intelligent actor. What's needed is a term that specifically handles the practice/discipline/art/science of fighting those with evil intent in the technological, system, and now ever more cyber fields.

If possible, can we delay its deletion until we explore this a good bit? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sweerek (talk • contribs) 23:36, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If a term gets used in a significant fashion by 3rd party sources, and meets wikipedia criteria for notability, an article can be created. But there are so many existing articles that are in need of help, adding a new article for a term that doesn't even exist is not permitted. Remember, it can always be created later - and a copy of the article can be saved in your user space, so you aren't losing any work. I looked at "malicious engineering" and as far as I can tell it is just a modifier added to the word "engineering" - no one has written a paper which uses this as a term (search scholar.google.com for references). Unfortunately, if there isn't a term yet for what you are describing, wikipedia has to wait. No original research is allowed - wikipedia cannot be used to define a new term (even though people sometimes try). Sorry. I'm going to restore the delete tag. If you can't find a reference to this term, or another term used in 3rd party sources with the definition you are trying to capture (in which case the article would be renamed), we'll just have to wait. Otherwise I'd suggest going to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Computer_Security and asking the question on the talk page there, and seeing if you can embed some of these ideas or improve some of the many existing articles on computer security. Wikipedia:Pages_needing_attention/Software --KarlB (talk) 00:16, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Also the Bruce Schneier book defines security as protection from intentional actions. So perhaps you should have a go at editing security, computer security and Information_security where some of these ideas might be better covered.--KarlB (talk) 00:21, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

moved

moved to user space. --KarlB (talk) 00:58, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

defense engineering?

Maybe a better term is defense engineering but, at least in the US, that has a strong military context. The definition term for defense applies but almost every google for 'defense engineering' refers to the Department of Defense. This is much broader.