User talk:Superstudio

Welcome

Hello Superstudio! Welcome to Wikipedia, where I see you have been working hard at your Devambez article for quite a while. Sorry no-one has welcomed you till now. As an admirer of Halouze and owner of an inscribed Devambez Sentimental Journey, and a copy of the second Almanach, I can appreciate your interest and I'm glad to see an article. However, may I suggest you consider one or two things which may help to prevent the more hawkish types of editor from assaulting your work vigorously which (when they finally discover it) they may be tempted to do? Please read the Wikipedia:Manual of Style (click on this to see it).

• Your article is becoming quite long. That's fine if it is extremely well organized and 'wikified', that is, presented with all the wikipedia conventions. It's fine to make lists where suitable.
• But I think you would be wise to start putting in inline citations or references for where some of your information is coming from, otherwise you may get plastered with 'tags' like the little one I put at the top, and people will remove information mercilessly. Published sources in book or article form are very effective defences against this kind of inroad.
• More internal linkage - the bluelinks - through your text will help to stabilize your text in wikipedia.
• Style - remember this is an encyclopedia. Some of your writing contains narrative and argument which might be more suited to a dissertation, a biography, or indeed a lecture or similar disquisition. It is a policy in wikipedia that it should not contain arguments which are based on original research, but only statements which can be underpinned by reference to published sources. You may be the world's expert on Devambez, but you can't put your knowledge in wikipedia unless you can show where the information has come from.
• Please understand that I offer this advice with the friendliest intention, as I do not wish your industriousness and flow to be 'knocked down' by some of the more thoughtless kinds of intervention, which do commonly happen. The best way to avoid this is to familiarize yourself with Wikipedia policies in advance, so that the style police don't come and pounce on you!
• Best wishes, Eebahgum (talk) 00:09, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Excellent list of sources! Thanks. If you look at what I am writing here in edit format, (i.e. press 'edit this page') you will be able to see how to introduce inline citations. You have to write them in html.

Reference

Sorry if you already know this, but it took me weeks to work it out when I started and it's so easy when you know how!! Hope this helps, Eebahgum (talk) 10:22, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I have just seen your comment on the article talkpage. (Probably better to talk here first, because that page is for specific content discussion about the article.) I'm very glad my comments were helpful. Have you seen the above, about how to put in a reference footnote? Incidentally, when you leave a comment anywhere on a talk page, you should sign off with four little curly dashes ('tildes') like this: ~~~~, (I have disabled these ones), and that will automatically give your username and the time of your comment, and will give whoever reads it a direct bluelink to reply to. This is the best place to have general discussions with other users - here, or on THEIR personal talk pages. You are welcome to talk to me on mine, User talk:Eebahgum.

I think your article needs to open with a general statement about what Devambez is/was, rather than an 'Introduction' (which rather suggests an essay). This would usually go before the little contents box, so it doesn't have a header. If I may, I will attempt a little rewrite of your introduction (a bit like your French version of this article) to suggest how it might look, to be more in line with wikipedia conventions. Don't worry, you can always get the old version back! Everything you write here is preserved somewhere or other. (So be warned, whatever you write, once the genii is out of the bottle, there's no putting it back in again!!!!). Best, Eebahgum (talk) 15:41, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Waooo, i need an intensive training to learn how to use wikipedia, thank you so much for taking the time to help me! Of course improve the text, im sure it will be great. I was thinking to put a photo of the Devambez family, what do you think? Speak soon Superstudio (talk) 15:53, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

There, I have twiddled with the first two paragraphs. Of course you must not mind if I have written something that is factually wrong - just put it right as you think fit - but you can see how I am trying to make it work... In due course a photo (and some examples of the artwork) would be excellent, but get used to the formatting of text first as there are obstacles about copyright affecting which pictures can be included, and you need to keep your head clear for the writing aspect to begin with!
:I think you will want (in due course) to make the Édouard Chimot section into a separate article - which he well deserves - and remove some of the biographical information about him into a new article, so that you can just highlight his work at Devambez in the present article. Part of the fun of wikipedia is the giant network of information, and one is always finding that one thing leads to another and makes the information proliferate.
:So far as the footnotes are concerned, someone once gave me this advice: remember that people writing essays or using this information to compile written work won't be able to reference it just to 'Wikipedia' - the facts will only be really useful to them if they can trace the sources of statements, and then maybe go and do some further reading. Wikipedia is the gateway to the knowledge, not itself the authority for the knowledge. I found that advice very helpful.

Incidentally, if you want to have your Username light up in blue instead of red, you have to make a start on saving something on your main Userpage (User:Superstudio), even if it's just a dot or something. The User page is where you can say what you like about yourself to the rest of the world - quite a free area for self-expression! Do bear in mind however that the rest of the world will come and look at it from time to time, and everything you put there will be archived, so think before you splurge... best wishes, Eebahgum (talk) 16:45, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to have my tea now! Is this a help? I'm amazed there's no English Wikipedia article on Drian. Maybe you should write one, or we could translate the French. Do ask me questions on MY talkpage (if you wish) as the orange bar will come up and I will know there is a message waiting. Have lots of fun, bfn Eebahgum (talk) 18:00, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your greeting at my talk page - excellent! When you create an article, you need to write a short first paragraph which sums up why the subject is important, gives the dates and places (if possible), and this section should have lots of blue links in it so that the meaning of the coming article is all flagged up in advance. The blue links help to reassure other editors that your subject is really one of importance, and not just some private fad of your own. Most articles make the first words be the same as the title fof the article and they are usually written in bold, which is done by putting them between triple inverted commas. Then when you start putting in the headings for the sections below this, the little 'contents' box with paragraph titles in automatically appears. Every article should be created with a section of sources, otherwise people are very quick to come along and delete the whole article! Also every article should have Categories - look at other articles to see what I mean. These are the little boxes with blue writing at the very bottom of the page. To get these you have to write something like this: [[Category:French artists|Chimot, Edouard]] (The vertical bar is used in bluelinks to separate the correct destination title for the link - before the bar - from the form you use in your text - after the bar - so that your preferred form will light up in blue. The vertical bar is at bottom left on the English keypad, on the backslash key.) This means that your article gets listed in the wikipedia index, and then people can find it. Birth and death dates are usually useful for categories as sometimes there isn't an obvious one to put them into. In general don't 'invent' categories, but try to find one (by looking around at articles about similar people) that is approximately right. Another editor is bound to come and correct it sooner or later so just do the best you can. Remember you can always look at other articles in the 'edit' view to see how something is done, and then press 'Cancel' at the bottom instead of 'Save page' in order to escape from edit view without changing the article. If you do make a blunder in the process it is easy to undo your inadvertent edit. Eebahgum (talk) 14:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Teatime again! I'm slightly concerned at the similarity of wording to phrases in the Neil Philip pages (see external links). If you are going to use sources like that, you should always re-word things a good deal as there is a robot which spots information copied from external websites and removes it. Also you should be sure to include credits as external links, then no-one can say you pinched it! Still you have the sources and references too and that is most important. Can you add in more in-line footnotes? Best wishes, Eebahgum (talk) 16:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

How to enter numbered footnotes and external links

Dear Superstudio, glad to hear about your collaboration with Neil.

Numbered footnotes

I have explained above how to put in references (i.e. numbered footnotes). You open the article for editing, and place the cursor at the point in the main text where you wish to insert the numbered footnote. You then type <ref> (as this appears now on your screen), and type the text or the title which you wish to appear in the footnote immediately after it. There is no need to put numbers before the references, as these will be added automatically. Then, without leaving any additional spaces, you must type </ref> (as this appears here on your screen) to close the text intended for the footnote. (If you forget to do this, the whole of the rest of the article will disappear temporarily as it will become one vast incompleted footnote!) Lower down the page, underneath the header 'References', you will find inserted the expression {{reflist}}. (I have already put it there and you do not need to type it in again.) This is an instruction to the machine to list your footnotes: it is a computer instruction. It will automatically list your notes and number them. As you keep adding footnotes into the text, it will automatically renumber them. Note, you do NOT have to try to write anything in the section marked 'References' - it will go there automatically.

External links

For external links (the little boxes with arrows which take you to websites outside wikipedia) you need to open the relevant part of the article for editing, (near the end of the article. NB: do not remove or delete other encrypted information which you find there) - and position the cursor at the left below the Header line saying 'External links'. First you must put in a star * like this as this will instruct the computer to start a fresh line and to enter a bullet point. Then you place a pair of square brackets, thus: []. Setting the cursor between the two, you must type or paste in between the brackets the exact webpage address (including the letters http etc) of the page you wish to direct to. The easiest way to do this is to have the webpage you want to refer to open on a separate window in your computer, and to copy the address off from the 'address bar' at the top, then move to your wikipedia window where you are editing, and 'paste' it onto your wikipedia page between the brackets. Then if you leave a space after this address, still within the brackets, you can type a short caption explaining what the link is for, and this will appear in blue after the little arrow.

I think you should teach yourself how to perform these operations as they are always needed in wikipedia! Then you will be able to write other articles and launch their reference systems yourself. Let me know how you get on. Best wishes, Eebahgum (talk) 20:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Your French articles

Bonjour Superstudio, je vous emprie de me pardonner que je n'ai point répondu à votre message sur les articles dans la Wikipédie Française. Il me semble que vous avez produit une traduction prèsque exacte, jusqu'au gisement même des références etc.! Bravo! Je suis très occupé d'ailleurs en ce moment avec des considérations étrangères (c-a-d au dehors) de la Wikipédie, excusez-moi si j'ai donné la paraîssance de ne m'intéresser plus - ce n'est pas du moins comme ça je vous assure. Vous avez fait une commencement merveilleuse, et j'éspère de voir des autres nouveautés de votre cyberplume, en particulier des oeuvres biographiques en regardant des artistes. Si vous voulez, c'est très simple de créer une page de 'Sandtray' comme 'User:Superstudio/Sandtray' (cliquez pour trouver et commencer), où l'on peut écrire tentativement en train de composer des textes sans être surveillé de trop par des autres éditeurs. Quand votre composition est finie dans le Sandtray, vous pouvez copier-là à la page de l'article nouvelle. En particulier c'est très effectif si l'on peut ramasser à l'inception les références et notes numerotées en avance d'afficher l'article toute entière dans la page destinée.

Si vous voudriez donner un titre à la page qui contient des charactères qui ne se trouvent sur le keypad (par example qui contiennent des accents) il vous faudrait écrire le titre justement, tout exact, dans une boite (comme içi, par example); et puis edit-copiez-là dans la boite dédiée au titre, en train de créer la page.

Veuillez excuser mes tortuosités inexpressibles de la votre si belle langue Française - en toute sympathie, Eebahgum (talk) 01:00, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Devambez

Hi there! I stumbled upon an interesting paper on Devambez, [1], and sourced a section of the article. You may find it otherwise useful. Cheers, — Racconish^Tk 18:30, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

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