User talk:Strawblarri
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- thank you very much! Strawblarri (talk) 17:27, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
October 2024
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Please do not add or change content without citing a reliable source. signed, Willondon (talk) 21:23, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- i do not know how to acually site sources by editing in the code, but my source was members of said schoo (as i go to it) as well as a los angeles times article. Strawblarri (talk) 16:13, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- You can find out how to add citations at Help:Referencing for beginners. Students at the school would not be considered a reliable source. I'm sure they would be accurate and honest, but the Wikipedia reader can't consult them to be convinced that the knowledge is true. On the other hand, the Los Angeles Times would be considered a reliable source, and one we can refer the reader to. If you can find the article where you read it, and provide a citation to it, that would improve the article. signed, Willondon (talk) 16:37, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- If I do add the citation, and update the section a bit, will it be able to stay?
- also, something i was confused about, was someone saying that the crash did not occur at the intersection in front of the high school, despite multiple articles stating that it did, as well as the plaque for the victims being there. was this just an honest mistake? Strawblarri (talk) 15:32, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- You can find out how to add citations at Help:Referencing for beginners. Students at the school would not be considered a reliable source. I'm sure they would be accurate and honest, but the Wikipedia reader can't consult them to be convinced that the knowledge is true. On the other hand, the Los Angeles Times would be considered a reliable source, and one we can refer the reader to. If you can find the article where you read it, and provide a citation to it, that would improve the article. signed, Willondon (talk) 16:37, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Not to be discouraging, but there are no guarantees. I think of edits in terms of how durable they are, how vulnerable they are to getting reverted. Content without a source is a sitting duck. One edit summary said "unsourced, some POV, and from what I can find did not actually happen at the school". This is where reliable sourcing comes in. If you can find a link to the LA Times or other articles covering the event, we can all have a look and see if it actually supports the content being added. For instance, if it's found that "illegal immigrants" did not appear in the source (some users use the term incorrectly, thinking all immigrants are somehow illegal), the content may have to be modified to stay true to the source. If it's found that the collision victims were students, but the accident did not actually happen at the school, I would challenge it as not relevant to an article about the school itself. So first things first: get a URL for the article(s) proposed as the source, and we can see what we're dealing with exactly. signed, Willondon (talk) 16:53, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- The edit specifically claimed that the crash happened "at the school." The sources I found for the incident did not indicate that it happened on the school grounds, but rather near the school. Details of a traffic accident near a school are not likely something we should mention, and the unsourced commentary about what parents and members of the public think about it has no place . Meters (talk) 17:01, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-06-03-mn-647-story.html here is one of the sources that I used. Strawblarri (talk) 22:01, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, as I pointed out in my edit summary, you did not use any sources in your edit [1]. That's why I said it was "unsourced". I went looking for sources, and, again as I said in my edit summary, it appeared not to have happened on the school grounds. The source you now list agrees with the other sources I found. The accident happened on a busy intersection near or in front of the school. The police did not chase the vehicle onto the school grounds. Meters (talk) 23:58, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with your note above that there's no place for straying into what commenters think about the response to something not involved with the school. I also see that this is from thirty years ago, and the article mentions the name of the school to orient the reader to the location of the incident, and there's no further mention of any school involvement. I don't think it has a place in the article. signed, Willondon (talk) 00:35, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- if i were to add to an article or make an article about this event, where should i put it? the official temecula article? Strawblarri (talk) 16:22, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- It would seem out of place in the Temecula, California article, too. This is something that happened thirty years ago. And the topic of the article seems to be more appropriate for United States Border Patrol. But again, it's thirty year old news that doesn't seem to have attracted any more coverage or analysis than a typical local news report. A momentous event at the time, I'm sure, and it appears to have a place in local lore and legend, but for an encyclopedia article, I think it's just too insignificant. signed, Willondon (talk) 16:55, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- if i were to add to an article or make an article about this event, where should i put it? the official temecula article? Strawblarri (talk) 16:22, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with your note above that there's no place for straying into what commenters think about the response to something not involved with the school. I also see that this is from thirty years ago, and the article mentions the name of the school to orient the reader to the location of the incident, and there's no further mention of any school involvement. I don't think it has a place in the article. signed, Willondon (talk) 00:35, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, as I pointed out in my edit summary, you did not use any sources in your edit [1]. That's why I said it was "unsourced". I went looking for sources, and, again as I said in my edit summary, it appeared not to have happened on the school grounds. The source you now list agrees with the other sources I found. The accident happened on a busy intersection near or in front of the school. The police did not chase the vehicle onto the school grounds. Meters (talk) 23:58, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Not to be discouraging, but there are no guarantees. I think of edits in terms of how durable they are, how vulnerable they are to getting reverted. Content without a source is a sitting duck. One edit summary said "unsourced, some POV, and from what I can find did not actually happen at the school". This is where reliable sourcing comes in. If you can find a link to the LA Times or other articles covering the event, we can all have a look and see if it actually supports the content being added. For instance, if it's found that "illegal immigrants" did not appear in the source (some users use the term incorrectly, thinking all immigrants are somehow illegal), the content may have to be modified to stay true to the source. If it's found that the collision victims were students, but the accident did not actually happen at the school, I would challenge it as not relevant to an article about the school itself. So first things first: get a URL for the article(s) proposed as the source, and we can see what we're dealing with exactly. signed, Willondon (talk) 16:53, 11 October 2024 (UTC)