User talk:Stijn Calle/2005

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Karzer

I just saw you add the Category:German student societies to Karzer. I don't agree that this article belongs in this category (it is not about a student society). However, I wonder if you could add something on student prisons in Belgium and the Netherlands? I will eventually write something on student prisons in Sweden. Uppland 19:03, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

In the German WP the Karzer is categorised in the category Studentenverbindungen (Student societies. Moreover, the pictures shown on the photograph are picture of a Studentcell (Studentenkarzer), a students prison. Students prisons wholy belong to the german student traditions, e.g. Heidelberg, Marburg. I think the categorisation is fully correct. In Belgium and The Netherlands, Student prisons do not exist, and, so far as I know, have never existed. Stijn Calle 19:26, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure how to react to your reply. I have translated most of this article from the German original and understand fully well that the image is of a student prison. I have absolutely no idea how you could assume that I did not realize that. In either case, we don't categorize things simply because of association - that is what "See also" headings are for. And student prisons do not exclusively belong to German tradition. As I already mentioned, they have existed in Sweden too. I also think they may have existed in the Netherlands, but have only a vague indication of that. In this webpage the caption below the left image claims that the depicted tower in Harderwijk was once used as a student prison; it is apparently located at the Botanical garden. I have no idea what Dutch search term to use to verify this, and even if true, it may be too obscure to be found on the web. Uppland 20:10, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

A Karzer, in the german tradition, was uniquely build for student, who resided at university. Perhaps this is not the case in The Netherlands or Sweden. Therefore, I categorised Karzer only in the Category : German student societies, and not in Dutch or Swedisch Student societies. It overlaps 100 % with german student traditions. Moreover, if you look at the two pictures, they depict german fraternity students (wearing the coloured hat) in a traditional form (black, sideways). The article surely is categorised correctly within the category German Student Societies. As to other categories, I have no knowledge of them being correct or not. Stijn Calle 22:32, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]