User talk:Sorinam

Hello Sorinam! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! StonyBrook (talk) 21:57, 12 May 2020 (UTC) Getting Started Wikipedia Tutorial • The five pillars of Wikipedia How to: edit a page • upload an image Getting Help Frequently Asked Questions Where to ask questions or make comments Request administrator attention Policies and Guidelines Neutral point of view • Reliable sources Verifiability • Citing sources • No original research What Wikipedia is not • Biographies of living persons Manual of Style • Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry Copyrights • Fair use • Image use policy External links • Spam • Vandalism Deletion policy • Conflict of interest • Notability The Community Build consensus • Resolving disputes Assume good faith • Civility • Etiquette No personal attacks • No legal threats Community Portal • Village pump Signpost • IRC channels • Mailing lists Things to do Be bold in editing • Help develop an article Pages needing attention • Peer review Join a WikiProject • Translating articles Cleaning up: General • Spam • Vandalism Miscellaneous Useful templates • Categories • Stubs User pages • Talk pages Tools • User scripts

May 2020

Hello, I'm StonyBrook. I noticed that you recently removed content from Sexual abuse cases in Brooklyn's Haredi community without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. StonyBrook (talk) 21:57, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Esther; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. serial ^# 16:48, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Esther

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Esther; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing.
Please stop trying to edit war your interpretation of primary sources into the article GPinkerton (talk) 17:08, 17 May 2020 (UTC).

Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. GPinkerton (talk) 17:24, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

@GPinkerton: the talk page indicates you may not have filed a proper report in order to initiate an actual discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. Seeing as you've had editing issues with others, I'm going to leave this page with your edits as it's not my wish to engage with you. --Sorinam (talk) 18:30, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Sorinam. You've been reported for edit warring. There may still be time for you to undo your last change to avoid sanctions. See WP:RS for Wikipedia's sourcing requirements. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 18:32, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: as other editors have had problems with GPinkerton in the past, include accusations and rude comments, I undid my changes to avoid engaging with this editor. With regard to reliable sources, I literally wrote over the plot as it was written in a book of the Bible - I also pointed this out to @GPinkerton:, but he refused to come to a compromise. Hoping the Bible should be a reliable enough source about a page on a book of the Bible, but I am not interested in engaging. Thanks, --Sorinam (talk) 18:45, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

If you are 'not interested in engaging' does this mean you won't try to edit Esther again? Your changes need to have consensus, and when opinions differ that often means some kind of a discussion has to occur. EdJohnston (talk) 22:10, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: it means that I wanted to discuss it with GPinkerton, not fight with him. He refused to discuss it, claiming that I could not use the Bible as a source for a story from the Bible. Apparently he has a history of engaging with others, and I did not see that until recently. I am appealing the warning because I did, in fact, use a printed source for my edits. The printed source is the Bible; the source of the entire story in the first place. I also used Book of Esther for assistance as well. --Sorinam (talk) 22:55, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Sorinam, I don't think you're understanding this. Please read WP:PRIMARY - a book's Wikipedia article cannot reference itself and Wikipedia cannot reference itself either. There need to be reliable, independent sources for any claims made on Wikipedia, and the Bible is not neither a reliable source nor an independent one. GPinkerton (talk) 01:20, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

@GPinkerton: I've read the rules. The story is from the Bible, and I'm using the Bible as a reference. It's like writing the plot of a book using the book. If you want to compromise, I would appreciate it; either way the Book of Esther Summary is doing the same job - so this would be redundant in the long run.--Sorinam (talk) 05:56, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sorinam: Yes for me it's an open question whether Esther deserves its own article when all the information is Book of Esther. At any rate the story itself really belongs in Book of Esther and anything Esther-related not actually in the Book of Esther should go here. You can use Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Writing_about_fiction#Contextual_presentation to help you and please give footnotes quoting chapter and verse. Also not that for this Biblical book, multiple versions in different languages gives details of the plot differently, which is why secondary and tertiary sources are preferred for identifying and referencing the important parts of the story, rather than the unnecessary details biblical writers loved to include and interpolate. GPinkerton (talk) 13:42, 18 May 2020 (UTC)