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Again, welcome! Nardog (talk) 09:01, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

December 2019

Hello, I'm Austronesier. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Standard Chinese phonology, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Austronesier (talk) 16:22, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notice of Unattributed Contributions by Somsak_Ung to Ethnic Groups of Thailand Page

This is a notice flagging that Somsak_Ung is making unattributed contributions to this page, i.e., contributions without citations, as can be seen on the Revision History page. The user is also not summarizing his edits. I advise Somsak_Ung to check how to do citing sources on Wikipedia: citations. I am at the moment exercising discretion but mainly deleting the user's unattributed contributions. Somsak_Ung is also making unattributed assertions about the existence of a contemporary 'Siamese' ethnic group. The Siamese were an ethnic group of Thailand according to 19th century race theory,^[1]. However, they are not now. They are not even recognized as such in the official Royal Thai Government submission listing ethnic communities, the 2011 ICERD submission.^[2] I am at the moment assuming good faith (agf) by Somsak_Ung but deleting his contributions on this issue. I am copying this notice to his talk page, where I see he has been flagged once for unattributed contributions.Johncdraper (talk) 17:04, 1 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Streckfuss, David (1993). "The mixed colonial legacy in Siam: Origins of Thai racialist thought, 1890–1910". Autonomous Histories, Particular Truths: Essays in the Honor of John R. W. Smail. Madison, WI: Centre for Southeast Asian Studies. pp. 124–153.
^ International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination; landforms a growing larger by the second Reports submitted by States parties under article 9 of the Convention: Thailand (PDF) (in English and Thai). United Nations Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination. 28 July 2011. Retrieved 8 October 2016.

Citations and neutral point of view at "Thai Chinese"

Hi Somsak Ung, I reverted this edit: [1] because it did not provide a reliable source. The edit could be considered controversial, and citations must be provided for any material that is likely to be challenged. The burden is on the editor who adds the material. It looks like this is your third warning about unsourced edits. Please understand that persistenly adding unsourced material, particularly if controversial, may be considered disruptive editing, and could lead to you being blocked from editing. Furthermore, the article already cites several sources stating that Thai Chinese are considered ethnic Chinese, and uses that term often in the text of the article. It is maybe not a black-and-white issue, and there is always room for improvement of the article. But please be aware also of the neutral point of view policy, and avoid adding content based on your own analysis or knowledge. If you still want to change the lead sentence, I would suggest first opening a discussion on the article's talk page and working toward a consenus about the wording. You should provide reliable sources to support your argument. Thanks for your understanding. --IamNotU (talk) 22:41, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

July 2020

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you add unsourced material to Wikipedia, as you did at Bangkok. You did not cite any source in this edit: [2]. The information appears to be incorrect, and has been reverted. Furthermore your change to the photo caption appears not adhere to WP:NPOV. IamNotU (talk) 14:19, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

IPAc-th

It looks like you are working on a new template IPAc-th. I reverted a few instances of it because the output is not IPA at all. Can you explain what you are trying to achieve? −Woodstone (talk) 01:47, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

like many languages, Central Thai is also have many varieties, not only Thai as auxiliary language like Isan, Northern Thai and Southern Thai etcs., it's also many dialects on native speaker (mainly Siamese's accent which speak in countryside and Thai Chinese accents which native in Bangkok). in Template:IPA-th currently use in narrow transcription which refer pronouciation from Ayutthaya province, but almost all of sound reference speak in Krungthep (Bangkok) accent, therefore (you can watch my sandbox zh:使用說明:泰語國際音標), i think it's better if it change to broad transcription, it's look like use narrow transcription in General American English but every reference speak in AAVE.--Somsak Ung (talk) 08:08, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The way IPA is applied to Thai in Wikipedia is defined in Help:IPA/Thai. That page corresponds to the way the IPA organisation defines it, which is already a rather broad transcription. It is not a good idea to start inventing private ways to "improve" on recognised world standards. And certainly before you might activate any changes, these would need to thoroughly discussed on talk there. Also, inputting transcriptions by Thai symbols is not practical in an English language Wikipedia.−Woodstone (talk) 11:25, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

First, it's not make sense enough to use Help:IPA/Thai as narrow script, but fair enough if we change this Template:IPA-th into broad script. Second, in Template:IPAc-th we can use RTGS, not cover everything, but it's official and we can modified something if you want.--Somsak Ung (talk) 16:58, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The documentation of template template:IPA-th refers to help:IPA/Thai as its definition. So that's the way it should be used. Any template with IPA in its name should be based on IPA symbols, so it should not be used to generate RTGS transcriptions. For that here is the template:RTGS. If you are serious in developing template:IPAc-th further, for consistency with template:IPAc-en, it should take latin script as input, create broad IPA as defined in help:IPA/Thai and generate pop-ups with short example words for each symbol. And of course all of this should be discussed at the proper talk pages first. −Woodstone (talk) 05:26, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Ayutthaya spoke Sukhothai? Or Phitsanulok?

Hi there, just wondering, since I know the Ayutthaya Kingdom spoke a Northern Cities dialect, did they really speak the Sukhothai dialect? Phitsanulok was once the Ayutthaya capital, so just curious to if it might have been them instead. Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 19:14, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, hahaha, you maybe don't know much about Thai history. first, they speak Sukhothai "language" not dialect, this language already dead, but because it's develop to Central Thai language and Southern Thai language in 17th century, like Ruthenian language already extinct, but because they develop to Ukrainian language and Ruthenian language. today we use Sukhothai "language" in somethings like soap opera, or game show or somethings like comedy etcs.

oh, and you say why Phitsanulok was once the Ayutthaya capital?, it's very simply, first King Samphraya of Ayutthaya invade Kingdom of Sukhothai, and bring their princess to become their wife (technically it's royal marriage), in 1438 King Borommapan of Sukhothai don't have male heir this make crown prince Borommatrailokkanat of Ayutthaya become king of Sukhothai, and also inherit Ayutthaya throne in 1448 but he always stay at Phitsanulok, so technically Kingdom of Ayutthaya and Kingdom of Sukhothai is personal union. In 1583 King Naresuan of Sukhothai (last king of Sukhothai; are also crown prince of Ayutthaya) revoke vassal status from Kingdom of Toungoo and won the war at Battle of Sittaung River, he forced displacement population entire country to Kingdom of Ayutthaya, so this year it's technically Kingdom of Sukhothai was annex by Kingdom of Ayutthaya. they rebuild Sukhothai area in 1601 but this time it's just provinces of Ayutthaya kingdom, many people are Lannaese refugee from Kingdom of Lanna because they hate their king Nawrahta Minsaw (member of Toungoo dynasty), so today upper central dialect it's just dialect continuum between Central Thai language and Northern Thai language.

Thai history have many time to forced displacement population in the country, examples Teochew people is native people of Krungthep (i mean Bangkok) (so i called Krungthepians), so when they shift language to Central Thai, they speak different accent with Siamese people (Central Thai people) and they call Siamese accents as Ner (Thai: เหน่อ; literally: bumpkins), during early 20th century, King Mongkut Klao want to build new cities, Hatyai, Bandon and Betong, he forced displacement Krungthepians to these cities, and that's why the local of Hatyai and Bandon encircled by Southern Thai language and Betong was encircled by Malay language, but they resist assimilation and maintain the same accent with the capital city.--Somsak Ung (talk) 21:33, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Edits related to Cambodian tical

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I have done so only with Siam-related articles because I don't know enough about the economies of other former countries that you have also inserted Cambodian tical as currency. Nonetheless, I suggest you find sources to support the edits you made to those articles. Aithus (talk) 02:15, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] Streckfuss, David (1993). "The mixed colonial legacy in Siam: Origins of Thai racialist thought, 1890–1910". Autonomous Histories, Particular Truths: Essays in the Honor of John R. W. Smail. Madison, WI: Centre for Southeast Asian Studies. pp. 124–153.

[CERD/C/THA/1-3-2] International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination; landforms a growing larger by the second Reports submitted by States parties under article 9 of the Convention: Thailand (PDF) (in English and Thai). United Nations Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination. 28 July 2011. Retrieved 8 October 2016.

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