User talk:Soibangla/ Archive 2

Not good...

...I'm going to give you a chance to self-revert your last edit. You don't get to remove large chunks of article TP discussions, unless you are looking to be blocked. ^{Atsme📞📧} 17:20, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

I have already reverted that mass removal of other people's comments from the talk page, in violation of talk page policy. Should I assume good faith that this was some kind of mistake? --MelanieN (talk) 17:24, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

OK, this is the third time that I have been accused of deleting talk page contents. I have never done this intentionally, it would never occur to me to do so, and it is extremely unlikely that I could make a major blunder like that. I strongly suggest the WP database is repeatedly hiccuping, possibly due to edit conflicts/collisions. soibangla (talk) 17:31, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Hiccuping, only for you? Deleting selected comments and leaving others? Hard to believe. Here's one way to keep it from happening by accident or hiccup: Always use page preview before hitting "publish changes". That way you can see exactly what the result of your edit will be. --MelanieN (talk) 20:17, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

I always page preview before publishing and I saw nothing unusual. I'd bet dollars to donuts it ain't happening only to me. I would absolutely never intentionally delete anyone's comments. Period. I've been using computers for 42 years and I know whether I've hit Ctrl+A on 17k+ characters and hit the Delete key, and I most definitely did not do that here.

How does one make a technical inquiry to find out if this is happening to others? soibangla (talk) 21:25, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Did my edit remove comments of a specific user or users? If so, who? I want to get to the bottom of this. There are some here who believe I am not acting in good faith and I intend to rectify that. soibangla (talk) 21:47, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/831660457 BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 21:53, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

I see the deleted parts include comments by MelanieN, who for the most part defended me in the matter. Why would I delete her favorable comments? I also see non-contiguous comments were deleted, which implies that I intentionally selected specific comments to delete. That is flatly false. How do I report possible system errors? soibangla (talk) 22:04, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

I have reported this to Help Desk: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&diff=831719037&oldid=831717520

I agree it didn't make sense; there was no pattern to the deletions. That's why I restored the edits saying it was presumably a mistake. But that really is strange. I don't know if Help Desk is the best place to look into technical problems but it's a start. --MelanieN (talk) 22:45, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

P.S. You said this was the third time. Did you supply diffs for all three occasions? They can't really do a thing without diffs. --MelanieN (talk) 22:47, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

As I said at Help: "Hard to believe" is an accusation, IMO. I find it difficult to believe that such a "procedural" issue could be possible without a user being presented with a big, fat warning message upon a commit. Again, is this issue prevalent?

Please see my comments for you at the Help Desk. General Ization ^Talk 22:48, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Ah, that makes sense! If you edit an old version of the page, the result will leave out everything that had been added since that version. That's probably what happened. --MelanieN (talk) 23:05, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Except I loaded the page fresh this morning after logging in, and many of the deleted edits were from last night, including some of yours. soibangla (talk) 01:24, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

It was my very first edit of the day, I pulled up the page seconds earlier. If it's possible a user can be editing an old version under such conditions, something ain't right. soibangla (talk) 23:09, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

I can actually sympathize with your dilemma over unexplained edits. I added a few new scripts to common.js and noticed the comment I was replying to was duplicated below my new comment. Can't even begin to explain how/why that is happening but it's intermittent. A few years ago, I had a rogue emoji (rolling eyes) end up in the section title of a TP when I added a smiley at the end of my comment in the section below. I was warned by an admin for incivility for misspelling a user name and adding rolling eyes. Technical_13 helped me figure out what happened and the admin removed the warning from the log. In the emoji case, it happened when I was using an iPad - the emoji dashboard doubled over on itself because of the small screen. When I clicked the smiley, the cursor also clicked the rolling eyes under it which created 2 emojis in different places on the page. ^{Atsme📞📧} 00:25, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

I usually experience something odd when I start my PC in the morning. I use Firefox most of the time. I'll open up my last browsing session, usually 10-15 tabs, and several of them will be in a previous state of affairs, such as an open editing window that's "unfinished". I have learned to just go back to the last stable page without the open editing window. For some reason Firefox no longer remembers the exact situation I was in when I closed it. It used to do that. If I were to "finish" an edit in that situation, I suspect that later edits might get deleted. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 03:41, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Here is the revision you loaded in the course of making your first edit of the day, which was the state of the page at 03:26 UTC this morning. I suspect that you reloaded it by reviewing your contributions, because you made the edit immediately preceding that revision. At 17:12 UTC you added an additional comment and published the page. Here is a diff of the two edits. The only difference between the revision of 03:26 UTC and the revision of 17:12 UTC is the addition of your comment. The comments of other editors in the interim were lost in the process. General Ization ^Talk 02:28, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

I dont understand. I refreshed the page first thing, so it was current. If there were other user updates between that refresh and the time of my first edit of the day, the only user comments that should/could have been lost were in that brief time interval, not any comments that had been made 14 hours earlier. 03:11, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Not to be argumentative, but refreshing the page (e.g., F5) if the URL in your address bar is an earlier revision will not load the latest version, it will only reload the older version found at the URL. Not sure what you mean by "refresh the page", and maybe that's not what you meant, but it's something to think about. G'night. General Ization ^Talk 03:21, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

I logged out the previous night and logged back in the next morning, then loaded the page very shortly before making the edit. soibangla (talk) 17:11, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

There's your answer - the page was loaded...we just don't know with what!! Whatever it was you did, just don't do it again...and if it happens again...I'll just say again to not do it again...shall I say that again? If does happen again, take a screenshot, print it out and frame it to remind yourself to stay away from loaded pages...and try not to do it again...whatever it was you did. Pssst...I think maybe the Russians hacked ur puter and tried to cause trouble, or maybe it was ET! ---> ^{Atsme📞📧} 02:11, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

I'm convinced the whole thing happened because the Trump administration hacked my computer. soibangla (talk) 02:51, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

That sounds like a very likely scenario that could explain it. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 03:42, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Italicizing website names

Hi, Soibangla. Thanks for all the work you've done on the articles.

Regarding your question, I believe I stated in my edit summary that names of TV networks are not italicized, in contrast to specific programs like Fox & Friends or Anderson Cooper 360.

Are websites italicized? I don't like doing so, but I've observed that other editors do, and when you use the "website" parameter in cite templates, it automatically italicizes the name of the website. However --- a distinction needs to be made between a website's name and its url. A lot of people seem to treat the two as if they're one in the same, but they're not. While there are some websites whose names incorporate the domain into their name (TMZ.com, Dictionary.com, etc.), most do not. I've noticed, much to my annoyance that a lot of editors refer to Deadline.com, for example, but that website's name is actually Deadline Hollywood, and not Deadline.com, which is illustrated by the fact that "Hollywood" is right next to "Deadline" in the website's logo when you go there. But when it's just the name of the network, I write it as CNN or CNBC, and put that in the publisher parameter. Hope that helps. Nightscream (talk) 03:59, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

WP:OVERLINK/WP:OVERCITE

WP:OVERLINK is what I cite when I reduce the name of redundant wikilnks of the same term throughout an article. But your message refers to references. Are you sure you're not referring to WP:REPCITE. Because I do clean up articles with REPCITE problems too, and I think I may have done so in the articles we just edited. I may have neglected to mention "WP:REPCITE" in my edit summary, but that's different from OVERLINK. REPCITE merely says that you shouldn't place consecutive cites of the same source in the same paragraph (although science-related articles are exempt from this), and that's the only place where I remove them. If I made some removal that caused a problem, can you point it out to me? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 04:05, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	For all the times you expand bare-url references into proper format. This kind of help is generally invisible to people so it doesn't get recognized, but it really helps the encyclopedia. So, thank you. MelanieN (talk) 23:17, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Friendly tip...

Hi, Soibangla - thank you for your suggestion, but may I suggest that you follow TP protocol by adding (with indention) to the end of the discussion and pinging the editor whose attention you wish to attract? When we intersperse questions/comments after others have contributed, it changes the date sequence of the responses (and some grumpy editors get even grumpier). I certainly understand why you want your suggestion to follow my comment, but...you know...we have to follow protocol. I responded to your question at the TP, and pinged you. Again, thank you. ^{Atsme📞📧} 21:41, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

The Copyeditor's Barnstar

		The Copyeditor's Barnstar
		For making good additions and doing some great, painstaking copyediting on the Trump–Russia dossier article. Keep up the good work! -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 03:24, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Trump-Russia dossier

Hi, Soibangla! Could you please check if this edit did what you wanted it to? It sounds, from your edit summary, like you merely intended to restore the clarification "he informed Trump" to the paragraph about Comey's warning to Trump. But when you reverted Drmies' edit, you also removed a paragraph about what initially launched the investigation. (He may even have deleted your slight change accidentally, by restoring an earlier version of the page and not noticing that it reverted your edit.) Was it your intent to remove that paragraph as well as to restore your wording? If not, you might want to restore it. --MelanieN (talk) 04:10, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

And when My Very Best Wishes restored the paragraph, they also restored your edit. As I thought, your edit simply got lumped in with the paragraph, and it got deleted and then restored without anyone noticing. You might want to strike your question to Drmies at the talk page. --MelanieN (talk) 04:40, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

As far as I know, I removed "he informed Trump" and did nothing else. The edit by Drmies was incorrect, and by his edit summary he thought I was trying to delete/hide rhe fact Comey told Trump, but that is not what I was doing, evidently Drmies misunderstood and I believe I adequately explained my intent in my edit summary. Remember: I was correcting my own edit for clarity, and nothing else. soibangla (talk) 03:07, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

He violated DS, MelanieN. There was no consensus to restore what Drmies removed. I've taken it to NeilN. ^{Atsme📞📧} 01:55, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Answering MelanieN's question would be good. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 02:19, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

IMO it was all a mistake. When Drmies restored an earlier version of the article to restore the disputed paragraph, he accidentally restored Soibangla's little three-word edit.[1] And then when Soibangla reverted Drmies to remove those three words, he also accidentally deleted the paragraph, without noticing it.[2] At least that's how I read it. I think it's all good now. --MelanieN (talk) 04:23, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Restore

...longstanding content is okay, per NeilN's interpretation of DS.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/839034202

I can't do it on my phone. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 22:40, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Your addition

I just goofed and restored a deletion of a large amount of content. The total number of bytes fooled me. I now see it was a combination of two of your additions which you added a few hours ago. My bad. I have therefore self-reverted. You'll have to defend it on the talk page and gain consensus. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 04:17, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Praise for Edits to Economic Policy of Donald Trump

Excellent work, thanks for the updates, particularly to the lead. Great use of FRED.Farcaster (talk) 22:18, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

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Heads up

Just a heads up, Presidency of Donald Trump is under consensus required DS. You added new material here, it was challenged by Rusf10 here via revision, and you restored it here without consensus. No comment on the content but you might consider self reverting and getting consensus. PackMecEng (talk) 23:28, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

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Ron Paul...

... was not the "lone voice" in support of Trump. This article [3] lists several Republican congresspeople (Dana Rohrbacher, Ron DeSantis, Mike Coffman) who supported Trump, as well as many Congressional candidates. I see the claim has been removed so this is just FYI. --MelanieN (talk) 23:23, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

A request

soibangla, I notice that you have started making little digs like this and "our little Russian buddy" at Let us eat lettuce. Please cut it out - and consider removing this kind of comment if it hasn’t already been seen and replied to. That kind of stuff can quickly contaminate a discussion board. Thanks. --MelanieN (talk) 18:16, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

I appreciate your admonitions to the other party to refrain from consistently posting disruptive content that approaches outright vandalism. Oh, wait... soibangla (talk) 18:49, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Maybe you didn’t see this. I haven’t seen any digs at other people by Let us eat lettuce. As for their contributions, they are sometimes a little weird, but nothing disruptive or "approaching vandalism". Nothing that can't be handled by the normal talk page processes. --MelanieN (talk) 19:48, 24 July 2018 (UTC)