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Australian Formula 4 points

Did you add the Australian Formula 4 points? If so, where did you get them from, they don't look right. --Falcadore (talk) 22:32, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have only added the results from the last round. I watched the races live and edited the results and the points according to the scoring system. I may have made a mistake when adding, but I don't think so. What I have done is check again and correct some results from race 3 as there were some penalties issued, but the rest are right. I looked at the Aussie F4 official page to see if they matched but the standings there haven't been updated with the points from the last round. Sjælefred Herm (talk) 23:28, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe the points weren't right at the previous round. --Falcadore (talk) 00:18, 8 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It may be, though if I'm not mistaken they matched the ones in the Aussie F4 web. The only way to confirm this is to look at each and every race result published by Aussie F4 or V8SC (the parent series) to see whether there have been modifications, such as issued penalties, that might have caused a change in points. Sjælefred Herm (talk) 11:35, 8 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Motorsport season articles

Hi Sjælefred Herm, I notice you have been creating a lot of season articles. I have to ask however, do you believe every article meets the notability guidelines? Particularly for Formula Renault and Formula 4, which are at the very bottom of the motor racing pyramid, I really question on whether the "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" required by the general notability guideline exists. If all that exists are statistics referenced from various results directories or a season announcement, that isn't really enough. I plan on raising this at WP:Motorsport, but I'll be interested to hear your thoughts. QueenCake (talk) 21:22, 10 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, QueenCake. I'm a fan of this kind of feeder series in particular, and so it was curious to me how inconsistently series sharing the same regulation, backing or tier were covered. So I was acting using coherence: series that have the same concept should be treated equal. In the FIA Formula 4 case, for example, each and every one of the series yields the drivers the same amount of FIA Super License points, so if one of the championships has its own season article and is deemed to be relevant, all the others should, just because they are equal to FIA's eyes. Same case with the FR2.0 and FR1.6 concepts: if French F4 has season articles, FR1.6 Nordic should as well, just because they are equal in tier to Renault Sport, the governing body that runs both. However, I do have to acknowledge that for some of the series, having more sources apart from the official one is very hard. For instance:

FR1.6 Nordic has the Renault Sport Sweden website and the STCC one as well, results are stored in SvenskRacing where you can even download the official results documents issued by the championship.
China F4's main source is the main website, but sometimes it isn't updated and therefore announcements are made through NarCar's Sina Weibo profile, or privately given to the teams, some of which (ART Motorsport) release the information via their websites and social network profiles.
NACAM F4's main sources are full of flaws: the very few pieces of information released might just be plain wrong. An example of this is when they released the official drivers that would be competing in Round 1, half the names were different from the ones that actually got racing. The only way to perceive that is to follow the series live, using the live timing or talking to journalists covering them at the very circuit. In this one I do personally speak through Twitter with the CEO, Mr. Flavio Abed, in order to clarify the doubts that might arise.

All series, however, provide articles with the outcome of every race or round through their main sources. But as the coverage is generally poor and the information hard to get, there is usually no sources "independent of the subject", and the very few that might exist usually point to the official sources. I understand that for these championships, if we have official reliable sources, we can consider ourselves lucky, so the requirement that I'd ask for would be to provide them in order to verify that the information given here is correct. It's just my thought, though, and I'll understand if it's considered not enough to the Wikipedia standards. Sjælefred Herm (talk) 11:56, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I get where you are coming from here, but ultimately it's Wikipedia's guidelines that decide what subjects get an article. It may seem reasonable to create an article because a similar one already exists, but there is a well established principle that each article has to meet notability guidelines on its own merits, not because another article on the subject already exists (WP:Other stuff exists). The ultimate arbiter of what is and is not notable are reliable, independent sources, and if the coverage does not exist, we can't include it here.

For lower level feeder series, there should probably be the recognition that some series will always be more prestigious and hence will receive a lot more coverage, even when they are nominally equal to other series at the same level. You'll generally find that international series are above national series, and national championships from the major motorsport countries like Britain, France, Germany, Australia, etc are above those from Latin America or Asia. At Formula Ford/Four/Renault level, it'll probably be hard enough justify an article for British Formula Ford; things like NACAM F4 are probably never going to meet the standards. QueenCake (talk) 23:29, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion

For things that are blatantly made up, you can nominate the articles for speedy deletion under criteria WP:G3. There's no need for it to hang around for a week in these circumstances. QueenCake (talk) 15:45, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the info, QueenCake. I'm still learning about the matter so I didn't know what to do except for a simple nomination. Sjælefred Herm (talk) 16:17, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree this F4 article is fictional. If you need some confirm - no mention of F4 here. This guy doesn't seem to understand the difference between NACAM and CODASUR and why would a series based in either of those regions vists Upstate New York? It is not even a good fake article. --Falcadore (talk) 19:06, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Aus GT

The majority of Australian domestic series do not use driver flags after the first instance. Some do not even use flags at all. There is no reason to include them when such a small proportion of the drivers come from outside Australia. It just adds unnecessary graphics to the articles.

As for the empty tables; wait until there are results to enter before creating them. Empty tables are not a good look. – Ky ta bu 09:06, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's true they don't but there's a bunch of drivers that are not Australian, and this should be pointed. It can be discussed whether to leave them or not though. As for the empty tables, they can be created beforehand and hidden until the results come.

Anyway I'm actually updating the article with the last round entries as well as the first GT Trophy results. I may scrap the flags out of the results, but the tables will be created, only that the Endurance one will be hidden until there are results.Sjælefred Herm (talk) 09:12, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

2016 IndyCar Series

This edit, and the fact that Dixon got the pole at the very end, is why you don't update these pages until the event is for sure concluded. Thanks, United States Man (talk) 18:41, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My live timing showed the checkered flag, and IndyCar Radio had assumed qualy had ended, just when Dixon got the pole. Such mistakes can happen, but fortunately they can be corrected easily. Not a big deal. Sjælefred Herm (talk) 18:48, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Ways to improve 2022 Formula Nordic

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@Grahaml35:

Thanks for your concern. I understand the lack for non primary sources, however at this level of F4-like motorsport competition it is quite difficult to find non-primary sources for the usual references that are made within these seasonal articles (that is, changes from previous years, calendar announcements and driver announcements), unless we count SNS of teams and/or drivers as non-primary sources. In the example curated by you, for example, I could add a source from a driver's own Instagram account that would serve better than the FN link that is currently added, but other than that I can't see a way to diversify sources for this article with what is the usual practice. Any advice from your side would be gladly received.

I have a general suggestion though. I recently discussed with another Wikipedia motorsport editor that it is not customary to add sources for the race results - we found an article that included them and while we both agreed that these sources could be useful, they were edited out for being non-customary. However, it is definitely easier to find non-primary sources for race results, since specialised motorsports media, such as RaceNews.se, prefer releasing articles over races and results. Many motorsports articles such as this one could immensely benefit from this as we would be addressing this issue directly. I'd like to read your take on this, if possible.

Again, many thanks for your time. Sjælefred Herm (talk) 12:35, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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