User talk:Sinanwolfgazo

Natural born citizen of the United States‎‎

I am extremely familiar with 8 USC 1401, but you and I disagree as to whether that section of the current statutes does or does not conclusively define what a "natural born citizen" is. I stand completely behind the edits (including reversions) which I have made in this article. Rather than restate my views here and now, I'll ask you to please reread what I have already posted to the article's talk page. Richwales (talk) 15:30, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

With all possible respect, I believe you are still missing my point.

The most likely majority consensus on this issue is, indeed, that a "natural born citizen" is in fact the same as a "citizen at birth" as defined by sections 301ff. of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 USC 1401ff.), or earlier statutes from earlier times. To date, as far as I'm aware, no one who was considered to have been a US citizen from birth (according to whatever acts of Congress regarding citizenship were in effect at the time of their birth) has ever been prevented from running for, being elected to, or succeeding to the Presidency on the grounds of not being a "natural born citizen".

But that is not the same thing as saying that this is the one true, settled, accepted definition of "natural born citizen" that should be showcased in the introductory, leading portion of the article. Technically, the question of precisely what "natural born citizen" means is still open, and it will most likely remain open until and unless an actual case gets decided by the Supreme Court, or until and unless a subsequent amendment to the Constitution either clarifies or repeals the "natural born citizen" requirement. Even then, it will still be relevant for us to discuss the history of the debate over the issue in this article.

Significant non-fringe debate continues over exactly what "natural born citizen" means, because a sizable minority of people continue to argue cogently for other interpretations of the phrase. These people are not in the majority, to be sure, but they are still part of mainstream discourse, and their positions need to be acknowledged and treated fairly and even-handedly in an article such as the one we're discussing. Richwales (talk) 23:48, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

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