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Halloween cheer!

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Hello SilkTork:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Wikipedia, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!
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Thanks! Keep well, and don't talk to strangers! SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 09:43, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2015 November 2#Wales Green Party

An editor took your close of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wales Green Party to Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2015 November 2#Wales Green Party but forgot to notify you. Cunard (talk) 05:24, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, as always, Cunard. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 09:29, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

!vote at RfA

Not confronting you about your opposition, but I'm guessing those AfD's are supposed to be RfA's? =P — MusikAnimal ^talk 06:29, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Corrected. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 07:04, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks but ...

I'll pass on the tea, with the usual thanks, but would you look over my question 17, here to see if it sheds some light on what you wrote? (No pigskins were killed in the making of the question).--Wehwalt (talk) 08:02, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It appears we both share some concerns over the user's treatment of others. Our concerns are not shared by the majority of the community, so it is almost certain this person will become an admin. I hope they will take some of the comments raised in the RfA to heart, and will modify their attitude toward less experienced users. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 11:41, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's a train wreck in the making and marked by very cursory due diligence, given I found that going back less than a month. God only knows what else is out there, or the people who just took Yamaguchi's templates as "official" and simply left. But as you say, we are a decided minority. As for taking to heart, that would be fine, but I'm not sure they fully grasp what we are saying. Shame though.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:58, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair, most candidates in a RfA are assessed by gutfeel, or by the opinion of others. It is out of the usual for someone to do due diligence, nor do we really expect it. This is a community of volunteers, and people do what they can, when they can. If they see others voting "support", and they respect those people, they will also vote support. And visa versa. That's the way it goes, and always has been. Early comments carry more weight than later comments, though RfAs have turned at the last minute if something very telling comes out. As this candidate has simply been templating and reverting weak editing rather than being clearly incivil or rude, it is not a clear cut example of mistreatment of others. It requires looking at a series of diffs, and then piecing them together. Also, many of the community are quite happy to template new or inexperienced users, so may not see it as an issue. I'm not going to lose sleep over this. The candidate is not a vandal, is not intemperate, and is not going to delete the mainpage. They'll probably be fine. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 16:34, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A question about how a song must be credited

Hello SilkTork,

As you are an administrator and you deal with articles about music, I wanted to ask you how a song has to be credited if the artist is known under a pseudonym. Let's take as instances songs by Dylan or Prince or Bowie: do they have to be credited as "Bob Dylan", "Prince", "David Bowie" or as "BoB Dylan|Robert Allen Zimmerman", "Prince (musician)|Roger Nelson" , "David Bowie|David Robert Jones". Thanks. Woovee (talk) 23:28, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If an artist is widely known under a pseudonym, their birth name would be mentioned in the main article on that person as that is part of the scope of that article, and is encyclopedic. In articles on that artists' work, we would tend to only use the pseudonym by which they are known, as their birth name would be out of scope for that article as the article would only be on the song itself, not on the history of the artist. If an artist uses an irregular pseudonym for a particular song or album, then we would give both the irregular pseudonym and the name by which they are better known, which may in itself be a pseudonym. See Don't Go Breaking My Heart. I hope that helps. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 07:06, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I entirely share this point of view.

However, I have just been reverted for the third time by the same user whereas he told me on on his talk, he won't anymore. Could you drop him a line? I invited him to read your message and to take part to the discussion I have created here on the wikiProject Albums. Woovee (talk) 23:42, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Essay templates

I have proposed two templates at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Essays/Templates, and would appreciate comments. Because no one seems to have noticed, I have chosen to notify several editors who have edited the project page. -- {{u|BullRangifer}} {Talk} 01:19, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have left comments. I like the personal essay one, though not the standard essay one. Thanks for having a go at making them. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 09:02, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

Hello SilkTork,

How are you doing today? Just to know how you're feeling and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. Wikic¤l¤gy^{t@lk to M£} 14:36, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Wikicology. Yes, I'm fine. I just had a quick look at your talkpage, and I note that as usual you learn from your experience and moved forward. That's a very strong and positive quality you have, and it will help you immensely in your next RfA. Two areas that I think will help you in a future RfA, is to become a Teahouse host: Wikipedia:Teahouse/Host start, and to take an article to GA status. Take a look at the host page: Wikipedia:Teahouse/Hosts, and see if you feel comfortable with the views stated there. Not everyone is temperamentally suited to being a host, but if you think you can do it, that would be very useful. As for taking an article to GA status, I can help you with that. The first stage would be to select an article from Wikipedia:Good article nominations to review. Reviewing a GAN gives some insight into the criteria and the process. If you've never done a GA review before, then let me know which article you've selected, and I'll take you through the process and assist you with the review. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 16:53, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for this noble ideas. I created my host profile and I will start participating there from tomorrow. I'm currently reviewing the article Hiranandani Gardens, Mumbai from WP:GAN. I wish to promote some of my articles such as Nitrogen dioxide poisoning and Isaac Folorunso Adewole to a GA status. I will appreciate your assistance. With kind regards. Wikic¤l¤gy^{t@lk to M£} 19:28, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Very good. When reviewing I use my own template: Template:GAstart. This is based on Template:GAList2, which is placed on the review page like this: {{subst:GAList2}}. These templates help me focus on the GA criteria: WP:GA?, and also show both the nominator, and any interested parties, both during the review, and after when people want to check, that the review was robust, and all the criteria points were examined. I think you have chosen a good GAN to start with as articles on places tend to be easy to deal with. They are not contentious or controversial (though some countries can be very contentious if there are ethnicity issues!), and they are a clearly defined subject, quite small and easy to deal with. I like doing reviews on places - they are among my favourite. There are also useful guidelines for how to lay out articles on places, which can be consulted when doing a review to give some advice to the nominator, and also to get some idea of how broad the coverage is. The ones relevant to the article you are looking at would be Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/Settlements: Article structure and Wikipedia:WikiProject_Indian_cities#Basic_India_conventions. It's also worth noting Hiranandani Gardens, and discussing that with the creator of Hiranandani Gardens, Mumbai for several reasons such as the naming convention, the article history, and tying the talkpages together. I'll take a look at your own articles some time tomorrow. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 01:33, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

First off, please accept my apology for this extremely slow response! I had been so busy with offline activities. Secondly, I want to thank you for your time and your personal interest in helping me get this. I will carefully go through the brilliant links you pointed out and I'm sure it will be of great help. ~~I will also place the template on the review page~~. I will consult you if I experience any difficulty. I'm so grateful. Wikic¤l¤gy^{t@lk to M£} 20:28, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The template seemed very good and helpful. I saw [[File:|16px|alt=|link=]]. What's the function of [[File:|16px|alt=|link=]]? Do I need it? Thanks.Wikic¤l¤gy^{t@lk to M£} 20:53, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Isaac Folorunso Adewole is an impressive article. I've not drilled down on it, but it certainly looks to be Good Article quality. And the subject is interesting, and worthy of attention. It's a sign of why we need Nigerian based users that such a person did not have an article on Wikipedia until you created one. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 17:59, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've just been browsing through some of your article creations. They are of a very good standard. You create them offline then paste them in. Out of curiosity, why don't you use your userpages for creating the initial draft? SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 18:11, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for all the kind words, SilkTork. I usually find it very easy than through my userpage but I will create my next article using my userpage. Can you help to nominate Isaac Folorunso Adewole for a GA? Thanks. Wikic¤l¤gy^{t@lk to M£} 20:28, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You paste {{subst:GAN|subtopic=}} on the article talkpage (I think Biology and medicine would be the appropriate subtopic, but you can select yourself at Wikipedia:Good article nominations#Nominations). Instructions are at Wikipedia:Good article nominations/Instructions. I'll do the review. I'm quite a firm reviewer, so you won't get an easy pass from me, but my aim is always to pass rather than fail; I would rather push to improve an article rather than simply fail the review. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 08:59, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If you agree that Biology and medicine is the best fit, then what you paste is: {{subst:GAN|subtopic=Biology and medicine}}. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 09:01, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Biology and Medicine is the best fit and I placed the template on the article's talk page. Thanks you so much. Wikic¤l¤gy^{t@lk to M£} 09:23, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]