User talk:Shyamh

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Welcome!

Hello, Shyamh, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions.

I noticed that one of the first articles you edited appears to be dealing with a topic with which you may have a conflict of interest. In other words, you may find it difficult to write about that topic in a neutral and objective way, because you are, work for, or represent, the subject of that article. Your recent contributions may have already been undone for this very reason.

To reduce the chances of your contributions being undone, you might like to draft your revised article before submission, and then ask me or another editor to proofread it. See our help page on userspace drafts for more details. If the page you created has already been deleted from Wikipedia, but you want to save the content from it to use for that draft, don't hesitate to ask anyone from this list and they will copy it to your user page.

One rule we do have in connection with conflicts of interest is that accounts used by more than one person will unfortunately be blocked from editing. Wikipedia generally does not allow editors to have usernames which imply that the account belongs to a company or corporation. If you have a username like this, you should request a change of username or create a new account. (A name that identifies the user as an individual within a given organization may be OK.)

In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see WP:PAID).

Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

• The plain and simple conflict of interest guide
• The five pillars of Wikipedia
• Contributing to Wikipedia
• Tutorial
• How to edit a page and How to develop articles
• How to create your first article (using the Article Wizard if you wish)
• Simplified Manual of Style

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{Help me}} before the question. Again, welcome! GermanJoe (talk) 23:59, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

@GermanJoe: thanks and got it. I would like to resubmit a draft for 10,000ft. Can you help recover the previous content so I can use it as a baseline, edit then submit to you and others for review? Thanks. shyam-habarakada (talk) 00:11, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Creating a company article and COI editing

Hello Shyamh, I have posted some useful links above. Unfortunately most of these rules are relatively complex and not easily explained in a few words. Simplifying, you'll need multiple independent sources with in-depth coverage about your company to establish the topic's "notability" (in Wikipedia's sense of the term). Only with such sources an article or draft should even be started. WP:Your first article contains a step by step guide to create a policy-compliant draft. However there is a second aspect: as an editor with a conflict of interest you are strongly discouraged from creating such an article yourself. It is simply not a good idea: most involved editors will find it very difficult or impossible to write a truely neutral and unbiased article about their own company or product (WP:COI has more information about this situation). If you can find multiple independent sources with in-depth coverage about your company, you could list the topic at Wikipedia:Requested articles as an alternative option. Eventually an uninvolved volunteer might take up the suggestion and write about your company, although there is no guarantee for this. Hope that helps a bit. Best regards. GermanJoe (talk) 00:10, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

• As I am not an administrator, I don't see the deleted version and can't tell if it could be used to develop a better draft. If the old version is too promotional, it might be better to start from scratch anyway. But I am not sure - you could contact the deleting administrator at User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus to ask for more qualified advice. But you should search for additional independent sources first, otherwise all the extra work might be wasted. GermanJoe (talk) 00:21, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
• Hello GermanJoe, I have created a new page for 10,000ft under my userspace. I've made it loosely based on other approved company pages with no outstanding issues flagged. Would you be able to take a look and make suggestions for improvement before we move it into article space? You can find it at User:Shyamh/10,000ft shyam-habarakada (talk) 20:40, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
  • To be honest, it seems like it uses all the same sources that didn't save the version I deleted. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:54, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Got it. I am a bit confused about how to make this more acceptable because I don't know how the community evaluates the credibility of references. I do see other company pages, some with just an official website link and a short blurb. Are there any suggestions you can make to help improve this, @Jo-Jo Eumerus:? shyam-habarakada (talk) 20:58, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Hello @Jo-Jo Eumerus: @GermanJoe: Of the references included in the new article, which ones are concerning? A few of them have articles about them in wikipedia. I've copied the list below for easy reference. I've also left out any kind of subjective commentary on the page so it is just a factual mention of the company shyam-habarakada (talk) 14:22, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
    • Interaction Designers Association (IXDA)
    • Industrial Designers Society of America (IDSA)
    • Fast Company (magazine)
    • InformationWeek
    • TechRepublic
    • GeekWire
• A few of these sources may be too short. Others may be unreliable or insufficiently independent. I am not terribly familiar with such stuff. @K.e.coffman, DGG, GoneIn60, Steve Quinn, and Light2021:? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:22, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
• I will await additional input from the people you tagged. Thanks. 10,000ft has no affiliation with any of these referenced sources and I am going by the fact that they are already established as notable on wikipedia (i.e. they have their own pages). Furhter, I'm trying to follow the guidelines mentioned at Wikipedia:Notability_(organizations_and_companies). Thanks. shyam-habarakada (talk) 16:36, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
  • A quick comment: sources in notability discussions don't have to be notable themselves and don't necessarily need to have a Wikipedia article (although it doesn't hurt). But they must be independent and reliable, and they should provide in-depth coverage about the topic (no passing mentions or simple listings). Marketing-oriented publishers like trade magazines, industry associations, and annual PR events often fail to be fully independent and reliable, as their main motivation is to lobby for their branche and its products. Interviews, where the company only talks about itself, are often rejected as they do not contain enough independent content from the author and simply parrot company talking points. I'll leave comments about specific sources to the AfD contributors, who already checked these references. GermanJoe (talk) 17:32, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Comment – I stick by my comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/10,000ft. This is a startup product with no real coverage in reliable sources since it's introduction in 2012. There were a few blips on the radar in 2013 and 2014, but nothing since. The question you should ask is, "Why am I placing this on Wikipedia?" Wikipedia is not a platform for marketing a product or letting the public know about something that isn't getting a lot of coverage elsewhere. Also, marketing advertisements are not reliable sources. Until adequate coverage has been determined, this topic fails WP:N. Please review these content guidelines for more information on why the topic and the proposed references do not qualify. Feel free to ask here if you have any follow-up questions. --GoneIn60 (talk) 16:42, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

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