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Hi, WP has separate articles like Ottoman Imperial Harem, Odalisque etc. on elite Harem slavery in Ottoman times. Where as the Avret Esir Pazarları is about "Short description: Non-elite-commoner-women slavery in Ottoman times". I request and hope to keep this point in mind while editing the article Avret Esir Pazarları. Wish you happy editing Bookku (talk) 04:20, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bengalis

Instead of repeatedly undoing edits, please take your concerns about the religious figures to the talk page. Also keep in mind that there are sources which state a variety of figures for Bengalis' religions, with some even saying that there may be up to 25 million Hindus living in Bangladesh alone[1][2], while others, like the one that you cite, also state that there are 200 million Bengali Muslims. Harshalrach (talk) 07:37, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

These sources are outdated since bangladesh has done its census last year which states only 7% is hindu which is 13 million and none of the 2011 census say india has 90 million bengali hindus west bengal only has 55 million if you bothered to check the references and some in assam and tripura which totals to 80 million not 90 million Shinakho (talk) 07:40, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The 2011 census of India was conducted 12 years ago, while the Bangladesh census was conducted only 1 year ago. The former is clearly more dated than the latter, suggesting that the Hindu population would have grown to more than 80 million. Also, please refrain from edit-warring on the page, as you have repeatedly reverted edits without discussing on talk pages. Harshalrach (talk) 07:45, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wait until the indian census is fone to give accurate population figures then the fact is even in these states the tfr is low there is no way it jumped to 90 to 100 million your basing these of your own estimation not referenced data and india is conducting its own census in this year and may carry to next year but wikipedia is about facts not your own estimations. Shinakho (talk) 07:53, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide any other evidence, besides a single excerpt from an author from 2013, that there are 200 million Bengali Muslims Harshalrach (talk) 07:54, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

150 million is from bamgladesh 2022 census while assam has 14 million muslim population according to the 2011 census in india while west bengal has 24 million from 2011 census and pakistan has over 1 to 2 million ethnic bengalis Shinakho (talk) 08:01, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Assam's Muslim population is not 14 million. It was 9 million in 2011, many of whom are actually Urdu and Assamese speaking Muslims rather than Bengalis. Harshalrach (talk) 08:16, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In assam the population is to mixed assams governing party in the latest census was planning to make seperate Catergories between these ethnic groupsike miyas (bengali muslims) and assamese muslims Shinakho (talk) 08:35, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please note, I am not only talking about India. There are Hindus in Bangladesh, too. 13 million, to be exact. Harshalrach (talk) 07:57, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I gave figures from both countries for both india and bangladesh Shinakho (talk) 08:02, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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You have been blocked from editing from certain pages (Rape in Afghanistan) for a period of 1 week for edit-warring at Rape in Afghanistan with no attempt to use talkpage to resolve the dispute. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

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I just noticed that you and 1Firang have also been edit-warring at Stoning in Islam. I am not extending the above block to that article for the moment but note that if the edit-warring and disruption resumes or spreads to other venues, the block may be widened or other sanctions applied. Use the article talkpages or other prescribed means to resolve the dispute. Abecedare (talk) 21:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Okay Shinakho (talk) 21:54, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a common view of muslim scholars? (Dhu al-Qarnayn)

Dhu al-Qarnayn has most popularly been identified by Western and traditional Muslim scholars as Alexander the Great.^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4] Historically, some tradition has parted from this identification^[5]^[6] in favor of others,^[7] like the pre-Islamic Arabian kings Sa'b Dhu Marathid^[8]^[9] or al-Mundhir ibn Imru al-Qays.^[7] Cyrus the Great has also gained popularity among modern Muslim commentators.^[2] NGC 628 (talk) 08:08, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is the view of western scholars not traditional scholars name some then otherwise this contradicts what actual traditional scholars viewed dhul qurnayn as a pious muslim who came before alexander according to ibn kathir

There were many famous historical personalities by the name of Alexander (Sikander). The one generally referred to as ‘Alexander the Great’ was a Greek commander who was a Mushrik (polytheist). He also was the student of the famous greek philosopher Aristotle. It is established from the Qur’aan that Dhul-Qarnayn was a pious Muslim, and according to some, he was a Prophet. Therefore, Dhul Qarnayn was not ‘Alexander the Great’. According to the renowned Mufassir, Ibn Kathir, Dhul Qarnayn was Alexander who appeared approximately 2000 years before ‘Alexander the Great’ (Ma’ariful Qur’aan vol.5 pg.618) From: Al Mahmood 13 Q & A from the Darul Ifta Mufti Ebrahim Desai

https://islamqa.org/hanafi/askimam/11435/alexander-the-great-is-he-the-dhul-qarnayn-mentioned-in-the-quraan/ Shinakho (talk) 01:20, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The issue here is not the identity of Alexander or the harmony of the historical figure with the story of Dhul-Qarnayn. These are the opinions expressed by the majority of traditional scholars and western researchers on this subject. The incompatibilities are related to the legendaryization of Alexander and the fact that the Quran writes its own story for many personalities. Islamization of people is almost an integral part of this. It doesn't matter whether real people are Muslims or not. The details of the subject are discussed in the article Dhul-Qarnayn.NGC 628 (talk) 06:51, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You used islamic scholars as a example saying it when most don't this seems to be a view from western scholarship Shinakho (talk) 00:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quranic_studies, (Hellenism and Quran). I would like you to think more carefully about the tafsir page and other reversals. They were placed to show different aspects of the content on related articles. NGC 628 (talk) 06:42, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Izno (talk) 19:36, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

^ Watt 1960–2007: "It is generally agreed both by Muslim commentators and modéra [sic] occidental scholars that Dhu ’l-Ḳarnayn [...] is to be identified with Alexander the Great." Cook 2013: "[...] Dhū al-Qarnayn (usually identified with Alexander the Great) [...]".
^ ^a ^b Maududi, Syed Abul Ala. Tafhim al-Qur'an. Archived from the original on 20 November 2019. Retrieved 4 November 2019. The identification ... has been a controversial matter from the earliest times. In general the commentators have been of the opinion that he was Alexander the Great but the characteristics of Zul-Qarnain described in the Qur'an are not applicable to him. However, now the commentators are inclined to believe that Zul-Qarnain was Cyrus ... We are also of the opinion that probably Zul-Qarnain was Cyrus...
^ Bietenholz 1994, pp. 122–123.
^ Stoneman 2003, p. 3.
^ Hämeen-Anttila, Jaakko (2018-04-17). Khwadāynāmag The Middle Persian Book of Kings. BRILL. ISBN 978-90-04-27764-9. Many Mediaeval scholars argued against the identification, though. Cf., e.g., the discussion in al-Maqrizi, Khabar §§212-232.
^ Maqrīzī, Aḥmad Ibn-ʿAlī al-; Hämeen-Anttila, Jaakko (2018). Al-Maqrīzī's al-Ḫabar ʻan al-bašar: vol. V, section 4: Persia and its kings, part I. Bibliotheca Maqriziana Opera maiora. Leiden Boston: Brill. pp. 279–281. ISBN 978-90-04-35599-6.
^ ^a ^b Cite error: The named reference Cottrell was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ Wheeler, Brannon M.; Wheeler, Associate Professor of Islamic Studies and Chair of Comparative Religion Brannon M. (2002). Moses in the Quran and Islamic Exegesis. Psychology Press. pp. 16–19. ISBN 9780700716036. Archived from the original on 23 May 2024. Retrieved 26 April 2024. Of particular relevance to the origins of the later Alexander stories is the possible identification of Dhu al-Qarnayn with a South Arabian, Himyarī king, variously named Şa'b Dhu Marāthid, ... In al-Tabarī, for example, the king, ...conquers the Turks in Azerbaijan, ... There are a number of elements in Ibn Hisham's account that parallel elements not found in the early Greek and Syriac recensions ... This suggests that Ibn Hisham's account, coupled with Q 18:83-101, upon which he comments, could represent the immediate source for the stories which attribute these elements to the Alexander stories. These elements originally associated with Sa'b as Dhu al-Qarnayn were incorporated, along with the elements attributed to Dhu al-Qarnayn in Q 18:83-101, into the stories which identified Dhu al-Qarnayn with Alexander. ... It is not possible to show that the Ethiopic and Persian versions of the Alexander stories are derived directly from the Syriac versions. There are a number of problems with the dating of the Syriac versions and their supposed influence on the Quran and later Alexander stories, not the least of which is the confusion of what has been called the Syriac Pseudo-Callisthenes, the sermon of Jacob of Serugh, and the so-called Syriac "Legend of Alexander." Second, the key elements of Q 18:60-65, 18:83-101, and the story of Ibn Hisham's Șa'b Dhu al-Qarnayn do not occur in the Syriac Pseudo-Callisthenes.
^ Zadeh, Travis (2017-02-28). Mapping Frontiers Across Medieval Islam: Geography, Translation and the 'Abbasid Empire. Bloomsbury Publishing. pp. 97–98. ISBN 978-1-78673-131-9. In the early history of Islam there was a lively debate over the true identity of Dhū 'l-Qarnayn. One prominent identification was with an ancient South Arabian Ḥimyarī king, generally referred to in the sources as al-Ṣaʿb b. Dhī Marāthid. [...] Indeed the association of Dhū 'l-Qarnayn with the South Arabian ruler can be traced in many early Arabic sources.

[1] Watt 1960–2007: "It is generally agreed both by Muslim commentators and modéra [sic] occidental scholars that Dhu ’l-Ḳarnayn [...] is to be identified with Alexander the Great." Cook 2013: "[...] Dhū al-Qarnayn (usually identified with Alexander the Great) [...]".

[:02-2] Maududi, Syed Abul Ala. Tafhim al-Qur'an. Archived from the original on 20 November 2019. Retrieved 4 November 2019. The identification ... has been a controversial matter from the earliest times. In general the commentators have been of the opinion that he was Alexander the Great but the characteristics of Zul-Qarnain described in the Qur'an are not applicable to him. However, now the commentators are inclined to believe that Zul-Qarnain was Cyrus ... We are also of the opinion that probably Zul-Qarnain was Cyrus...

[FOOTNOTEBietenholz1994122–123-3] Bietenholz 1994, pp. 122–123.

[FOOTNOTEStoneman20033-4] Stoneman 2003, p. 3.

[5] Hämeen-Anttila, Jaakko (2018-04-17). Khwadāynāmag The Middle Persian Book of Kings. BRILL. ISBN 978-90-04-27764-9. Many Mediaeval scholars argued against the identification, though. Cf., e.g., the discussion in al-Maqrizi, Khabar §§212-232.

[6] Maqrīzī, Aḥmad Ibn-ʿAlī al-; Hämeen-Anttila, Jaakko (2018). Al-Maqrīzī's al-Ḫabar ʻan al-bašar: vol. V, section 4: Persia and its kings, part I. Bibliotheca Maqriziana Opera maiora. Leiden Boston: Brill. pp. 279–281. ISBN 978-90-04-35599-6.

[Cottrell-7] Cite error: The named reference Cottrell was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

[:13-8] Wheeler, Brannon M.; Wheeler, Associate Professor of Islamic Studies and Chair of Comparative Religion Brannon M. (2002). Moses in the Quran and Islamic Exegesis. Psychology Press. pp. 16–19. ISBN 9780700716036. Archived from the original on 23 May 2024. Retrieved 26 April 2024. Of particular relevance to the origins of the later Alexander stories is the possible identification of Dhu al-Qarnayn with a South Arabian, Himyarī king, variously named Şa'b Dhu Marāthid, ... In al-Tabarī, for example, the king, ...conquers the Turks in Azerbaijan, ... There are a number of elements in Ibn Hisham's account that parallel elements not found in the early Greek and Syriac recensions ... This suggests that Ibn Hisham's account, coupled with Q 18:83-101, upon which he comments, could represent the immediate source for the stories which attribute these elements to the Alexander stories. These elements originally associated with Sa'b as Dhu al-Qarnayn were incorporated, along with the elements attributed to Dhu al-Qarnayn in Q 18:83-101, into the stories which identified Dhu al-Qarnayn with Alexander. ... It is not possible to show that the Ethiopic and Persian versions of the Alexander stories are derived directly from the Syriac versions. There are a number of problems with the dating of the Syriac versions and their supposed influence on the Quran and later Alexander stories, not the least of which is the confusion of what has been called the Syriac Pseudo-Callisthenes, the sermon of Jacob of Serugh, and the so-called Syriac "Legend of Alexander." Second, the key elements of Q 18:60-65, 18:83-101, and the story of Ibn Hisham's Șa'b Dhu al-Qarnayn do not occur in the Syriac Pseudo-Callisthenes.

[9] Zadeh, Travis (2017-02-28). Mapping Frontiers Across Medieval Islam: Geography, Translation and the 'Abbasid Empire. Bloomsbury Publishing. pp. 97–98. ISBN 978-1-78673-131-9. In the early history of Islam there was a lively debate over the true identity of Dhū 'l-Qarnayn. One prominent identification was with an ancient South Arabian Ḥimyarī king, generally referred to in the sources as al-Ṣaʿb b. Dhī Marāthid. [...] Indeed the association of Dhū 'l-Qarnayn with the South Arabian ruler can be traced in many early Arabic sources.

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