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Happy editing! JarrahTree 13:41, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia and copyright

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Shellac41 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Your reason here Shellac41 (talk) 09:52, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

This request is basically blank, and there is another request open below. SQL ^{Query Me!} 19:04, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Hello Shellac41! While we appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from sources to avoid copyright and plagiarism issues.

You can only copy/translate a small amount of a source, and you must mark what you take as a direct quotation with double quotation marks (") and cite the source using an inline citation. You can read about this at Wikipedia:Non-free content in the sections on "text". See also Help:Referencing for beginners, for how to cite sources here.
Aside from limited quotation, you must put all information in your own words and structure, in proper paraphrase. Following the source's words too closely can create copyright problems, so it is not permitted here; see Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing. Even when using your own words, you are still, however, asked to cite your sources to verify the information and to demonstrate that the content is not original research.
We have strict guidelines on the usage of copyrighted images. Fair use images must meet all ten of the non-free content criteria in order to be used in articles, or they will be deleted. To be used on Wikipedia, all other images must be made available under a free and open copyright license that allows commercial and derivative reuse.
If you own the copyright to the source you want to copy or are a legally designated agent, you may be able to license that text so that we can publish it here. Understand, though, that unlike many other sites, where a person can license their content for use there and retain non-free ownership, that is not possible at Wikipedia. Rather, the release of content must be irrevocable, to the world, into either the public domain (PD) or under a suitably-free and compatible copyright license. Such a release must be done in a verifiable manner, so that the authority of the person purporting to release the copyright is evidenced. See Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials.
Also note that Wikipedia articles may not be copied or translated without attribution. If you want to copy or translate from another Wikipedia project or article, you must follow the copyright attribution steps described at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. See also Help:Translation#License requirements.

It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Nick-D (talk) 09:00, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In particular, do not upload images to Wikimedia Commons under a false claim that you have the legal right to release them under a Creative Commons licence, and do not add such images to Wikipedia articles. Nick-D (talk) 09:01, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

August 2021

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for violating copyright policy by copying text or images into Wikipedia from another source without evidence of permission. Please take this opportunity to ensure that you understand our copyright policy and our policies regarding how to use non-free content.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Nick-D (talk) 11:31, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

UTRS 46604

UTRS appeal #46604 has been closed. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 12:41, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Please see notification on user's talk page on Commons. Instructed user to send permissions to OTRS. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 12:44, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Shellac41 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

On 9 August 2021 I was blocked by the following notice "Nick-D talk contribs blocked Shellac41 talk contribs with an expiration time of indefinite (account creation blocked) (Copyright violations) Tag: Twinkle" I now understand and accept that this block occurred because of my best intended but incorrect attempt to improve the photographic record of No. 25 Squadron (ie 25 SQN) RAAF (ie the Royal Australian Air Force) on Wiki's "No. 25 Squadron RAAF" webpage by trying to insert (ie upload) two RAAF images (ie photos) of 25 SQN; one at RAAF Base Williamtown, Australia, the other at the SQN's home base, RAAF Base Pearce, Australia. I also stress that as an ex-member of 25 SQN RAAF I did so inadvertently. As previously advised and authorised to do so by an email from the Dept of Defence, Australia I stated in the boxes on Wiki's upload page that; (a) the photos were RAAF photos; (b) taken by a RAAF photographer; and (c) I ticked the copyright approval box because the Dept of Defence (D of D) email said it approved publication of the RAAF photos under the "Creative Commons Attribution Australia licence (CC BY 3.0 AU)". On 10 August 2021 I submitted to Wiki an unblock appeal against my "copyright violation" block. Included in my appeal was a copy of the D of D's emailed approval to publish the 2 photos. In response to my unblock appeal I received the following messages on my (ie Shellack41) "talk" page: - "UTRS appeal #46604 has been closed. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 12:41, 10 August 2021 (UTC)", and followed by - "Please see notification on user's talk page on Commons. Instructed user to send permissions to OTRS. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 12:44, 10 August 2021 (UTC)" Since these messages from Wiki user Deepfriedokra, on 13 September 2021 a D of D RAAF authorised officer has submitted a completed "permission to use template" by email to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org, in which under his D of D authority he gives approval for "anyone" (including me) to use the following two (2) images (ie photos): (1) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:25SQNUnitPhotoRAAFPearcec1975.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/25SQNUnitPhotoRAAFPearcec1975.jpg AND (2) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:25SQNUnit_PhotoWilliamtownCampPhotoc1972-1973.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/25SQNUnit_PhotoWilliamtownCampPhotoc1972-1973.jpg On 14 September the D of D authorising officer received the following approval email from "Permissions - Wikimedia Commons <permissions-commons@wikimedia.org>": "Dear ............ Your permission has been added to the file pages. Please check that the file descriptions contain the correct author attribution you desire. If you have any concerns, please respond to this email. Thank you for your contribution to Wikimedia Commons. Yours sincerely, ..... -- Wikimedia Commons - https://commons.wikimedia.org/" As a result of Wiki's acceptance of the RAAF's "permission to use template" the "Summary" sections on both; "https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:25SQNUnitPhotoRAAFPearcec1975.jpg" and "https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:25SQNUnit_PhotoWilliamtownCampPhotoc1972-1973.jpg" now include the statement: "The Wikimedia Foundation has received an e-mail confirming that the copyright holder has approved publication under the terms mentioned on this page. This correspondence has been reviewed by an Volunteer Response Team (VRT) member and stored in our permission archive. The correspondence is available to trusted volunteers as ticket #2021091310001418". With respect plus my apologies for the inconvenience my ignorant but well intended actions have caused Wiki, I therefore again request that my block for "Copyright Violation" be removed. I also add that any future attempts by me to add text onto Wiki's "No. 25 Squadron RAAF" webpage will be properly referenced. Yours sincerely, Wiki user Shellac41 Shellac41 (talk) 20:19, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

Procedural decline only. This unblock request has been open for more than two weeks but has not proven sufficient for any reviewing administrator to take action. You are welcome to request a new block review if you substantially reword your request. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that

the block is not necessary to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia, or
the block is no longer necessary because you
1. understand what you have been blocked for,
2. will not continue to cause damage or disruption, and
3. will make useful contributions instead.

Please read the guide to appealing blocks for more information. Yamla (talk) 11:05, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

Shellac41 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

As suggested on my talk page by Wiki administrator Yamla (talk) 11:05, 24 October 2021 (UTC) I hereby request a new block review because I sincerely believe (and hope) my “user block” is now no longer necessary because: 1. I now fully understand and accept I was blocked as a Wiki user on 9 August 2021 for violating copyright policy because of my inadequate and improper attempts to; (a) copy 2 images (being 2 RAAF (Royal Australian Air Force) photos) into Wikipedia by uploading them onto Wiki’s “No. 25 Squadron – RAAF” webpage without properly showing the evidence of the permission the RAAF had given me to do so; (b) edit Wiki’s “No. 25 Squadron – RAAF” webpage by inserting new text describing 3 of No. 25 Squadron’s notable post-WW11 awards without proper references to the RAAF publications or other sources evidencing those awards; I also now understand and sincerely regret that my previous ignorance about my talk page's purpose caused me to be unaware of thus inadvertently not heed warnings from the blocking administrator Nick-D about my improper attempts in (a) and (b) above. I now readily admit and accept that my then ignorance of Wiki, especially its copyright and referencing policies, was the sole cause of my copyright violation block in August 2021. 2. I will not continue to cause damage or disruption to Wiki or its users due to my now better awareness and understanding of Wiki’s copyright and referencing policies, and my genuine commitment to properly comply with them. It never was or has been my intent to cause damage or disruption to Wikipedia or its users. However, I now readily accept and understand that I did so in August, albeit inadvertently, due to my then ignorance and inexperience of Wiki’s policies and procedures; a lesson now well learnt and I sincerely hope, never to be repeated by me. 3. My wish is to be able to make only useful and helpful to others contributions to Wiki’s internet encyclopedia. 3.1. As an ex-member of the RAAF’s No. 25 Squadron I would therefore like and request the opportunity to try to properly improve the content of Wiki’s “No. 25 Squadron – RAAF” webpage by; (a) inserting, in between the 2 existing 1940’s and 1990’s images of the Squadron, the 2 RAAF images of the Squadron in the 1970’s that I improperly tried to upload in August. (Since my block in August, the relevant RAAF Authority has at my request subsequently emailed a free license, "permission to use template" for the 2 images to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org who have accepted and stored it in their permission archive (ticket #2021091310001418") and; (b) including properly source-referenced details on Wiki’s “No. 25 Squadron – RAAF” webpage’s of 3 of the Squadron’s notable post-WW11 awards ie Freedom of the City of Perth; its Squadron Standard (with Battle Honors) and several annual AFA trophies for the most efficient/proficient Squadron. 3.2. I would also like to be able to add onto Wiki’s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Freedom_of_the_City recipients (military) a properly source-reference to No. 25 Squadron being one of the Australian military units listed as recipients of the Freedom of the City of Perth, Western Australia 4. As a hopefully responsible, regular and grateful user of Wiki’s internet encyclopedia I submit this "new block review” request for your consideration. Yours sincerely, Wiki user Shellac41 Shellac41 (talk) 07:23, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Accept reason:

Thanks Nick-D. Unblocked. -- Euryalus (talk) 21:05, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for this followup appeal and apologies that the previous one expired without action. Image permissions now seem okay on first glance, but Nick-D is more of an expert on this area and is also the blocking admin. Nick-D, views welcome on the appeal. -- Euryalus (talk) 19:57, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Euryalus: It looks like this editor now has a good understanding of Wikipedia's policies towards copyright and has successfully navigated the process to have some images released by the RAAF (which is a non-trivial achievement!), so I am strongly supportive of an unblock. Shellac41, please feel free to ask me for any advice on editing, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation and Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history are supportive communities. Nick-D (talk) 21:00, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

over-signing

Please do not start conversations at the top of pages - please do not 'over-sign',

once will do... please look at other pages similar to what you are hoping to do - and

take special care with how referencing works. Please do not ask me for help, I am not a military history mainspace editor, Thanks. JarrahTree 13:45, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your points Jarrah Tree.

I realise my error with oversigning so hopefully it wont happen again.

I have tried to follow Wiki's format examples for my references and have looked at quite a few examples on other pages so I hope I have got mine right.

I am sorry but I do not understand your advice about not starting conversations at the top of pages. Can you elaborate or point me to an example of what you mean?

I am also very worried that if I publish my revised text with my listed and numbered additional references onto the "No. 25 Squadron RAAF" page that doing so will somehow erase completely or 'alter' the existing references and their number order. I am not asking for your help because I intend asking "Teahouse" how I can prevent either possibility happening.

Thanks again. Shellac41 (talk) 10:41, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For any talk page (article or person), in the top menu there is a choice "New section." This creates a new section at the bottom of all the existing sections. Editors expect to see new content there. As for inserting text with references, if the references are properly formatted, the software automatically renumbers all refs in the content following the addition. Last, if you add content in modest sized chunks, if any chunk is reverted (reversed) by an editor, start a discussion about that disputed content on the Talk page, seeking consensus. Repeatedly inserting content is called 'edit warring,' and can result in you being blocked temporarily. David notMD (talk) 12:46, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you David.

1.If I understand correctly I should place (ie copy) my suggested revision onto the "New Section" of the 25 SQN "Talk" Page and that will attract editors' attention to it.

2.Wiki's "No.25 Squadron - RAAF" article page is not very long - less than a page. My changes comprise additional info and rewording of existing info and more supporting references.

This will probably increase the length of article to close to or over a full page.

Could I put my revision (shown on the Talk page) onto the "New Section" in one go, or do it by progressive halves or thirds?

Thanks again, Shellac41 (talk) 23:54, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]