User talk:Sheik Way-El

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Multiple accounts

Hi, Sheik Way-El. I've just blocked User:Matheno, which, in this series of edits, you admitted belongs to you. Per WP:Sockpuppetry, you actually generally can't have multiple accounts. You definitely can't have them as a way of separating out your identity as the author of that book--in Wikipedia terms, we'd say that that's an attempt to evade scrutiny. Since I'm sure you weren't aware of that policy, I am not going to block this account. Please don't create multiple accounts, though, in the future. About your concerns on the article, I'll respond on the article talk page. Qwyrxian (talk) 07:17, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Objective, Bias, and offensive information within this article.

Greetings. Last night, as I sat and read this page, I immediately began to edit many NON-REFERENCED bits of information. I have tried to edit this page in the past and many others pertaining to the Moors (see the Almoravids thread to this same editor/overseer). I would post ^{[citation needed]} and would give reasons why a citation was needed. For instance, Noble Drew Ali NEVER referenced himself as Timothy Drew, he referenced himself as Noble Drew Ali. Not only did he and the membership reference him by this name, the public and the media also referenced him by this name. Proof can be shown in the following newspaper article along with MANY others and yet, this Wikipedia article constantly refers to him as "Timothy Drew" and "Drew." This was not the case when this page was first established. Someone was allowed to come onto this page and edit and now, no one can change it. I find that quite odd.

File:PROPHET VISITS GARVEY.jpg

Chicago Defender reporting on Noble Drew Ali's visit to Marcus Garvey

The use of the name is inconsistent in the article. In some portions he is referenced as Timothy Drew. In others, he is referenced as Drew, and yet still, he is referenced as Noble Drew Ali. There are things within the article that have absolutely NO merit and cannot be found in the organizations religious text or literature. I will list just a few of them here:

"...and in religious texts, adherents refer to themselves racially as "Asiatics"."

This can be found nowhere in the religious texts of the M.S.T of A. Please cite your citation.

"Traditionally, it was believed that Timothy Drew was born on January 8, 1886 in North Carolina, USA."

This is not guess work or belief, this is from the man himself and his birthday celebrations were reported in the Chicago Defender which can be evinced below:

File:Noble Drew Ali's birthday celebration reported.jpg

Drew Ali's birthday celebration

Poor scholastic methodology was used in this article. Let us continue...

"Drew reported that during his travels, he met with a high priest of Egyptian magic. In one version of Drew's biography, the leader saw him as a reincarnation of the founder, while in others, the priest considered Drew a reincarnation of Jesus, the Buddha, Muhammad and other religious prophets. According to the biography, the high priest trained Drew in mysticism and gave him a "lost section" of the Quran."

Who did "Drew" report this to? This can be found NOWHERE in the teachings, literature or oral sayings of Prophet Noble Drew Ali which can be read here

"This text came to be known as the Holy Koran of the Moorish Science Temple of America (which is not to be confused with the Islamic Quran)."

This view was obviously inserted by one who holds OBJECTIVE VIEWS to the prophethood of Noble Drew Ali who stated in the M.S.T. of A's religious text that "The fallen sons and daughters of the Asiatic Nation of North America need to learn to love instead of hate; and to know their higher self and lower self. This is the uniting of the Holy Koran of Mecca, for teaching and instructing all Moorish Americans, etc." The full text can be read here.

In this, Noble Drew Ali claimed to UNITE the text as oppose to replace it as this wikipedia article suggests. What this also suggest is that Noble Drew Ali did not bring any Islamic teachings and this too is blatantly false.

"Drew took parts of his book from the Rosicrucian work, Unto Thee I Grant, and most of it from The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ, published in 1908 by esoteric Ohio preacher Levi Dowling."

More poorly stated research with absolutely no citations to back it up. The Holy Koran of the Moorish Science Temple of America was compiled using these direct sources:

Lost historical information about the true origins and identity of the Moorish Americans, being falsely called black people in the United States of America by the most Noble, Prophet, Drew Ali.
19 of the 182 chapters of The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ By Levi H. Dowling
The Economy of Human Life, Complete in Two Parts, Translated from an INDIAN MANUSCRIPT written by an ANCIENT BRAHMIN. 1806 By Robert Dodsley, Philip Dormer Stanhope Earl of Chesterfield, John Hill (first published by Dodsley in 1745) [This text was copied by the Rosicrucian order in 1925 so the Wikipedia article is wrong. A link to this text can be found here ]
Elegant Extracts: Or, Useful and Entertaining Passages in Prose: Selected for the Improvement of Young Persons: Being similar in Design to ELEGANT EXTRACTS in POETRY. Published in London, 1790. Author unknown. A link to this text can be found here.

Again, this wiki article is poorly sourced and offensive to members of the organization.

"Drew claimed to have been anointed Noble Drew Ali, the Prophet."

Anointed by who? Citation needed and yet, my edit for a citation needed was removed by this editor. It seems completely bias and it appears as if this article is trying to shed a false light on the organization and its founder by letting anyone come and make non-sourced claims, and not taking into consideration other sources which counter the claims of the books cited in the article.

"Moorish-Americans drink alcohol and eat pork."

This is an absolute, and blatant lie and obviously said by an opponent to the organization. No citation was given and yet, this was allowed to be posted on this cite by apparent opponents of the organization. This is false light and slander as Prophet Noble Drew Ali urged members not to eat any meat accept fish. Prophet Noble Drew Ali expressly FORBADE the drinking of alcohol. If such is not changed within this article, we will in fact begin the process of suing wikipedia for allowing these types of statements to stand unchallenged with absolutely no proofs to back them up.

"Drew believed that African Americans were all Moors who he claimed descended from the ancient Moabites (describing them as belonging to Northwest Africa as opposed to Moab as the name suggests)"

Prophet Noble Drew Ali's exact words were "The Moorish Americans are descendants of the ancient Moabites whom inhabited the Northwestern and Southwestern shores of Africa." (Act 6 of the organization's bylaws). He taught that the Moorish people, falsely called "black" people, TRAVELED FROM the ancient land of Canaan and INHABITED West Africa (Ch. 47 v. 6). You can read the full text here. The wording of this article makes it appear as if Noble Drew Ali made up this claim as if people have not migrated since the beginning of recorded history. Not only have peoples migrated, the places they settle, are usually named after the people themselves like the name Mauritania.

I can keep going and going with the blatant misinformation within this article. If these things are not changed, if you cannot find citations for slanderous statements like "Moorish-Americans drink alcohol and eat pork.", we will be suing this platform for false light as this article makes those interested in our organization not want to join. You have 72 hours to bring your citations or we will commence with a lawsuit in the appropriate venue. Peace.

Almoravid etymology

The editor removed my edit on the Almoravid page claiming that he can find several "reliable" sources that proves that the name Almoravid comes from the name Al Muribatin. We reject this claim and asks the editor to cite just two reliable sources that conclusively shows his position.Sheik Way-El 19:23, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Discussion of your legal threat

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Doug Weller (talk) 19:47, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Request reason:

Because the Wikipedia article is allowing lies to be perpetrated against my organization. The article states, for instance that, Moorish Americans are allowed to drink alcohol and eat pork. This is an afront to our organization's religious tenets which expressly disallows the drinking of alcohol and eating pork. When I asked for a citation, it was removed by the editor with no reason given. This is false light and slander and deserves to be removed which Wikipedia refuses to do. The only other recourse is legal action because this article is damaging the reputation of my organization and affecting our membership drives and, relationships with other Islamic organizations.

Decline reason:

Per below. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 22:08, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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December 2015

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for making legal threats or taking legal action. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.

You are not allowed to edit Wikipedia while the threats stand or the legal action is unresolved. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 19:50, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Unblock

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Sheik Way-El (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Because the Wikipedia article is allowing lies to be perpetrated against my organization. The article states, for instance that, Moorish Americans are allowed to drink alcohol and eat pork. This is an afront to our organization's religious tenets which expressly disallows the drinking of alcohol and eating pork. When I asked for a citation, it was removed by the editor with no reason given. This is false light and slander and deserves to be removed which Wikipedia refuses to do. The only other recourse is legal action because this article is damaging the reputation of my organization and affecting our membership drives and, relationships with other Islamic organizations.

Decline reason:

Please read WP:NLT. You cannot be unblocked unless you retract the legal threat. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 21:33, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Unblock. Will not change legal that until defamation is removed

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Request reason:

I will NOT remove the threat of legal action until the malicious claims in this article are removed ESPECIALLY the one that claims that Moorish Americans are allowed to drink alcohol and eat pork. Again, if this not changed in 72 hours I will go on a public campaign against Wikipedia via Change.org showing the blatant bias of Wikipedia. All of your articles pertaining the Moors are completely biased. Your article on the Moors show images of people who clearly look European but the historical records by the dozen refutes these claims. 72 hoursSheik Way-El 21:46, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Decline reason:

I cannot unblock you unless you retract your legal threat, per WP:NLT. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 22:09, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Sheik Way-El 21:46, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

The statement has been removed, I retract my legal threat — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheik Way-El (talk • contribs) 00:27, 2015 December 14 (UTC)

{{unblock}}

Is this a conditional or unconditional retraction? If you mean that under no circumstances will you suggest legal action in the future I support your unblock. If not then WP:NLT still applies. I've said on the talk page that some of your points need looking at. However we still depend on Reliable sources, so for instance a count of sources for a text made by you can't be used but must be sourced. Doug Weller (talk) 07:26, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Request reason:

I understand the game now. I will no longer make legal threats in the future but I will point out defamatory claims against my organization. I look forward to challenging this page further, but respectfully. PeaceSheik Way-El 08:22, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Accept reason:

Ok, although this isn't a game of course. I'll unblock you now. Doug Weller (talk) 09:28, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Managing a conflict of interest

Hello, Sheik Way-El. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Moorish Science Temple of America, you may have a conflict of interest. People with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, see the conflict of interest guideline and frequently asked questions for organizations. In particular, please:

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