User talk:Sharyn4939

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Welcome to Wikipedia, Sharyn4939! Thank you for your contributions. I am HiLo48 and I have been editing Wikipedia for some time, so if you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page. You can also check out Wikipedia:Questions or type {{help me}} at the bottom of this page. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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September 2019

Your recent editing history at Ashleigh Barty shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:33, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

DRN case reminder

Hello, from a DR/N volunteer

This is a friendly reminder to involved parties that there is a current Dispute Resolution Noticeboard case still awaiting comments and replies. If this dispute has been resolved to the satisfaction of the filing editor and all involved parties, please take a moment to add a note about this at the discussion so that a volunteer may close the case as "Resolved". If the dispute is still ongoing, please add your input. Nigos (talk • Contribs) 08:31, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard

In my opinion, that is kind of one of the last-resort noticeboards. I think you should have opened up a RfC first. Nigos (talk • Contribs) 11:43, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A little bit of advice

I've been watching your efforts to have Ash Barty described as indigenous at the beginning of the lead in her article, and I feel I really need to say, please take it a bit easier here on Wikipedia. It's not wise nor will it be productive for you to write sentences such as "Wikipedia should not be a platform governed by White Privilege, there is no room for racism here."

One of our core principles is that you assume good faith from all other editors. It makes for a much more pleasant and productive environment. That sentence above obviously doesn't assume good faith. The editors you are taking on in that dispute are all very experienced, and I've never seen an ounce of racism in any of their editing in the past. (Though I don't know much about Nigos, whose user page says is based in Singapore.)

I'm personally a mature aged white Australian whose ancestors came from various parts of Europe, with some persecuted minorities among them. I certainly talk about those cultural groups, and get involved in editing articles about them. But I've learnt that to make sure articles are written fairly, confrontation doesn't work. It just gets people off-side. And again, I'm now the only person involved in this discussion whose ancestry you actually know. (Or at least a bit about it.) Please don't make assumptions about others.

I consider myself very lucky in the past couple of decades to have been able to learn a lot more than most white folks about Aboriginal culture. This began with an almost accidental involvement with Worawa Aboriginal College in Victoria. It has become an amazing ongoing and growing part of my life. As you know, there is so much to learn, and I know I cannot know it all. But I will persevere for as long as I can.

Re the Ash Barty article, my view is that it should match those for people like Evonne Goolagong and Cathy Freeman. Their Aboriginality is not hidden in any way, but it's not mentioned right at the beginning of their articles. In fact, in Goolagong's case, it's not even mentioned in the lead. (Just very soon after.) As others have said on the Talk page, Barty's Aboriginality isn't hidden either. It's mentioned multiple times.

On a positive note, please use your knowledge of Indigenous Australia to improve other articles in that area of Wikipedia, and even create new articles. It's an area not well covered at all. Good luck with your editing. HiLo48 (talk) 11:44, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ashleigh Barty

Hi Sharyn4939. Welcome to Wiki. The section heading you chose is, in my opinion, inappropriate. I'd say the topic of that section is not, or at least should not be, "Racism in Wikipedia". There might be other places on Wiki where that topic might be discussed but the point that I'm trying to make is that the Talk page of the Ashleigh Barty article would not be the appropriate forum for discussing that. So I've taken the liberty of changing the section heading to "Indigenous Australian or simply Australian?" At WP:TALKNEW we can find "Keep headings neutral". In other words, don't express a point of view in the section heading. My chosen heading is of course not the only possible heading. As concerns the broader issue, I am sympathetic to what you say, but ultimately I disagree with it. In essence, in my opinion, there is no great offense in simply referring to the subject of the biography as Australian in the first sentence of the lede. That is pretty standard practice in Wiki biographies and it makes a fair bit of sense to me. Bus stop (talk) 13:43, 9 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sharyn4939—I wanted to bring the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard to your attention as you may not be aware of its existence. I'm not recommending that you raise this issue there but I thought you should be aware of that noticeboard as occasionally concerns are raised at that noticeboard that are similar to the concerns you have recently raised. Bus stop (talk) 20:25, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]