User talk:Sgnaren

Welcome!

Hello, Sgnaren, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, like Animoto, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines for page creation, and may soon be deleted (if it hasn't already).

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You really need to decide what you are :) Wikipedia does not lie! Vikman (talk) 10:49, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion of "Animoto"

A page you created, Animoto, has been tagged for deletion, as it meets one or more of the criteria for speedy deletion; specifically, it is obvious advertising or promotional material.

You are welcome to contribute content which complies with our content policies and any applicable inclusion guidelines. However, please do not simply re-create the page with the same content. You may also wish to read our introduction to editing and guide to writing your first article.

Thank you. Bullzeye^{(Ring for Service)} 10:55, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for your message and thanks for your concern. I'll try and explain: for an article about a company to stay, it has to have two major things: 1)third-party, independent media sources that explain how the company is notable; that is, how it is important enough within the business community to warrant being included here, and 2)a non-promotional tone that does not sound like you're trying to advertise, merely neutrally report what is written in the sources from #1. Currently, you have nothing but self-referential sources like press releases. These will not work. Bullzeye^{(Ring for Service)} 12:27, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Friend, have you bothered to read the sources you added? The first is a promotional press-release issued by the company and written by Atomic PR, the company's PR firm. The fact that it's posted on Reuters is absolutely meaningless. It's pure advertising. Completely, totally unusable. Work with me here. The second is a Wiki, which means anyone can edit it, which means it's not usable as a reliable source. I understand you're confused, but you need to review all of the blue links on this page if you want to understand what I'm talking about. Bullzeye^{(Ring for Service)} 12:52, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You cited the Wikipedia articles on Slide.com and RockYou! as examples of similar articles. The reason why your article is being deleted and those articles aren't is quite simple: Slide.com has 8 big-name independent sources, RockYou! has 4, and yours has zero. I have pointed out what is wrong with the article twice already. Please read WP:RS and WP:NOTE. They are all you need to know here. Bullzeye^{(Ring for Service)} 14:02, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I just saw your latest message to me. Yes, those two sources are both good. The second is okay, the first is excellent. Add them both to the article and I'll remove the CSD tag. You've got to clean up the article still, though. Good job finding those refs. Bullzeye^{(Ring for Service)} 14:07, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]