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Jeff Boss Entry

You've absolutely got to be kidding me on your revert. Have you seen any current stuff on Jeff Boss? You haven't, and that's because he is dead. Jeff was an extremely troubled individual, and if you look at his website and what he believed in, that should be immediately obvious to you, or anyone else. I'm sure that's why when he died, his family decided not to publish any kind of obit, and I only learned of his death from Laura Boss's obit. My educated guess is this was either an OD or a suicide, neither of which I wrote in his entry. Do you honestly think I came upon an obituary for someone named Laura Boss, saw that she had a son named Jeff who's death preceded hers, so I figured this was a good way to vandalize this Jeff Boss's entry? I am absolutely 100% correct on this one, as the Boss family were friends with my family when I was growing up. Yes, you can spout Wikipedia "rules" to me, and if you want to follow things so closely to the letter, then you are definitely correct, and I am not. But we're talking about Jeff Boss here. We're not talking about anyone even remotely famous or well-known. And this is someone that you want to follow the absolute letter of the law? Asc85 (talk) 01:03, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Asc85: Thank you for your response. I'd ask that in future you write stuff like this on the talk page for the article itself rather than my own talk page.

Re: "Have you seen any current stuff on Jeff Boss? You haven't, and that's because he is dead." There is no source for this, bar a mention of someone on a page that there's no confirmation that is related to him. WP:OR applies here.

Re: "My educated guess is this was either an OD or a suicide, neither of which I wrote in his entry." The issue here is that it's an educated guess, not backed up by any sources whatsoever. Regardless of what you personally know or can guess, WP:VERIFYOR applies.

Re: "Do you honestly think I came upon an obituary for someone named Laura Boss, saw that she had a son named Jeff who's death preceded hers, so I figured this was a good way to vandalize this Jeff Boss's entry?" I never said this, because on Wikipedia I assume good faith and don't presume people are trying to vandalize people's entries.

Re: "But we're talking about Jeff Boss here. We're not talking about anyone even remotely famous or well-known." I'm not sure what this is meant to mean but to get on Wikipedia in the first place you have to reach notability guidelines. And regardless of who you are or what level of "fame" you're at, the policies still apply, "to the absolute letter of the law".

Bottom line: things can't be published on Wikipedia unless there is a reliable, verifiable backing for them with a source, which this does not have. Regardless of whether you know the guy, the family or anything about it yourself.

Thank you again for your response. ser! (chat to me - see my edits) 10:33, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

I had a source...you just don't think it's "good enough." Fine...you're doing a great job maintaining the integrity of of Wikipedia with reverts like this. Tom Morris gave you the power to rollback. He also said to use "common sense." Asc85 (talk) 18:20, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

The source does not indicate that it was the same person, just someone with the same name. To jump to a conclusion that it’s the same person requires WP:SYNTH which is against wiki policy. As for rollback, not sure what this has to do with anything as I did not use rollback for this at all. ser! (chat to me - see my edits) 18:28, 6 October 2021 (UTC)