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CS1 error on Harold Orr

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NPOV on Harold Orr

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Hi Saskaboom,

Thanks for making the Harold Orr page and for adding lots of useful information to it. Your latest edit is a good example of where you're not always meeting Neutral point of view requirements. Since Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, it is important to follow this policy as best as possible. Moreover, it's important to make sure that information is well-referenced with reliable sources. Let me know if you'd like to discuss. Other justin (talk) 17:53, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

thanks Justin .. what is incorrect in my edit .. I am removing the changes I did .. but would like to understand what the problem is ... can you explain where the neutral point of view is crossed? Saskaboom (talk) 04:11, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Clarifications and Proposed Inclusions for Harold Orr Article
Dear Justin,
Thank you for your diligent review of the Harold Orr Wikipedia page. I appreciate the importance of adhering to a Neutral Point of View (NPOV) and ensuring that all information is well-referenced. I have gone through the feedback and I am willing to make necessary amendments to align with Wikipedia’s guidelines. if there are areas that you think should have more references I will attempt to find them ; However, I would like to discuss a few points that might merit reconsideration or inclusion to provide a well-rounded portrayal of Harold Orr’s life and contributions. Here are the areas of discussion:
  1. Family Background and Early Life:
    • Harold Orr’s upbringing, rooted in community service and religious values, played a significant role in shaping his professional and personal endeavors. There are several reliable references detailing his family background and early life which contribute to understanding the motivations behind his community service initiatives.
  2. Community Service and Religious Involvement:
    • Harold Orr’s contributions extend beyond his professional achievements in energy efficiency. His involvement with the Western Christian College; Oklahoma Christian University starting Greystone Singers and his community service are notable aspects of his life that had a significant impact on others. This facet of his life presents a holistic view of Harold Orr as an individual deeply ingrained in community betterment, which is well-documented.
  3. Ancestry:
    • While the importance of ancestry might vary among individuals, it is historically notable and could have been a driving force behind Harold Orr’s community service and loyalty to causes. A discussion, backed by reliable references, could shed light on how historical and familial ties influenced Harold Orr’s lifelong commitments.
  4. Ability to Convey Technical Information:
    • The 2017 Rob Dumont Energy Management Award https://www.emtfsask.ca/awards_winners_2017.htmlacknowledges Harold Orr’s ability to make technical issues easily understandable, which helped spread knowledge to a wider audience. This ability is a notable aspect of his legacy that contributed to the promotion of energy conservation both in Canada and abroad.
I am keen on collaborating to ensure that the article adheres to Wikipedia’s standards while also providing a comprehensive understanding of Harold Orr’s multifaceted life and contributions. I am open to further discussion on the talk page to reach a consensus on the inclusion of these aspects, with appropriate referencing to ensure verifiability and neutrality.
Thank you for your time and consideration. I look forward to your feedback and working together to enhance the quality and completeness of the Harold Orr Wikipedia page.
Warm regards,
Saskaboom Saskaboom (talk) 06:01, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Heya, thanks for engaging in good faith on this. I'll reply here with some thoughts on the broader guidelines, and perhaps we can move discussion about specific points to the Harold Orr talk page. I'm very happy to help work on this, and we might also ultimately want to seek out some additional perspectives because we might disagree on certain points.
In general, I don't mean to question that much of what has been included in the article is significant in and of itself—to Orr and perhaps to different communities—but really just to what extent, and in what way, it merits inclusion in an encyclopedia entry about the subject. I am familiar with Orr's professional work, and I don't think there's any question that it had significant influence; from what I know, it's a stretch to say that, beyond particular communities, he is known for these other aspects. That doesn't mean that it can't be included, but perhaps that it needs to be dealt with a bit more delicately.
On that note, I think the main issue so far has been the way you phrased certain things. Wikipedia emphasizes neutral language. So, while it may be true that much of Orr's work exemplifies a commitment to community service, unless you are directly quoting a reliable/neutral source stating so, it is best to let the facts speak for themselves (i.e. readers will pick up on that by reading about the things he has done). Does that make sense? You might find it helpful to have a read through the guidelines on Biographies of living persons. Also, on sources, it is important to ensure that they speak to the subject. For instance, you previously included one from Oklahoma Christian University on its accreditation, but the reference didn't actually mention Orr anywhere. This is the kind of thing that can raise questions about just how relevant it is (again, for the purpose of inclusion in an encyclopedia).
If you don't mind, why don't you throw the four points you listed for consideration in to the Harold Orr talk discussion, and we can discuss those there? Thanks again! Other justin (talk) 17:05, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have sent you a note about a page you started

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Hello, Saskaboom. Thank you for your work on Harold Orr. North8000, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

Nice work

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