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July 2022

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. Constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, but a recent edit of yours to the page Lemba people has an edit summary that appears to be inadequate, inaccurate, or inappropriate. The summaries are helpful to people browsing an article's history, so it is important that you use edit summaries that accurately tell other editors what you did. Feel free to use the sandbox to make test edits. "chart adjustments" as an edit summary when you are actually deleting well sourced text about the conclusion of a study, restoring bad grammar, and restoring a chart that is not encyclopedic and adds nothing to this particular article. Doug Weller talk 13:13, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'm Doug Weller. I noticed that you recently removed content from Lemba people without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 13:14, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've restored the sourced conclusion and removed the bad grammar and the chart

Please stop this. If you have an argument for removing the sourced conclusion, adding your sentence fragment which makes no sense, and your chart, please use Talk:Lemba people. Thanks. Continuing to remove the sourced conclusion is approaching vandalism. Not quite, but close, especially with your misleading edit summary. Doug Weller talk 13:19, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies for removing the source maternal from previous. But I did notice that the "DNA testing" section of the page was lacking in more comprehensive information. I’ve been trying to edit on the mobile version - which is extremely glitchy - which is the reason I was seemingly making edits with no explanation as to why as not to lose what I had wrote and cited. Sanali.SD (talk) 13:24, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. But the chart really doesn't belong, we normally only use those on pages about Haplogroups, etc. And of course we cite a number of studies, if we had a chart from one why not all? Also, we really should stick to information from the conclusions/final comments etc, not pick data out of the main body of the article. Do you understand the problem with the sentence fragment? Trying to edit from the mobile version sounds hard. Doug Weller talk 13:46, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, apologies, that wasn't a sentence fragment. My bad. Anyway, I'm happy with your latest changes. Doug Weller talk 13:51, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I created a chart because I assumed it was permissible after looking at Romani and Tuareg ethnic groups' pages. In my defence not many genetic study have been done of Lemba people which detail the Haplogroups in a way past 2005 except for Soodyall's research. Sanali.SD (talk) 13:53, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Both pages, especially the Romani, are close to unreadable in those sections (and in general both seem overlong and have some unreliable sources, I have a script that highlights those}. Individuals keep adding studies and you end up with far too much detail. Doug Weller talk 16:07, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

December 2022

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Lemba people, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Sena is an alleged city, not a name for Lemba, semitic refers to languages, not features, there are sources for Islamic practices so I restored that also. Doug Weller talk 12:11, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I’ll retrace everything from before and add sources but Sena or (Ba-Sena) is actually the Lemba endonym (as noted by Rudo Mativha in "The Basena/Vamwenye/Balemba") whereas "Lemba/Remba/Mwenye/Va-Lungu/Va-Shavi" are all exonyms derived from various other groups and tribes. Sanali.SD (talk) 12:30, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t think she’s a reliable source. No credentials in the appropriate field, convinced the Lemba are descended from a small group of Jews, we need other reliably published sources saying this independently. Doug Weller talk 13:14, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough Sanali.SD (talk) 15:11, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I moved your stuff about their faces as it doesn't belong in the Wikipedia:Lead and added more from the source. Are you sure you want to use it? Doug Weller talk 17:08, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, where you’ve placed it seems reasonable but if you feel like it’s inappropriate I won’t object to you removing it. Sanali.SD (talk) 17:38, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why did you change their claim of descent

From Jewish to Semitic speaking? Doug Weller talk 20:11, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The original claim made by Lemba pertains to semitic roots without the disambiguation as to any particular Semitic group. This notion came from Leaders of the LCA and is not a conclusive outlook on the views of all collective divisions of Lemba people

In Henri A. Junod’s 1910 article “Notes on the Balemba”, he presents what is possibly the first Lemba origin story recorded by Europeans. As Junod writes,

Some old Balemba of the both the Spelonken and the Modjadji country told my informant the following legend: ‘We have come from a very remote place, on the other side of the sea. We were on a big boat. A terrible storm nearly destroyed us all. The boat was broken into two pieces. One half of us reached the shores of this country; the others were taken away with the second half of the boat, and we do not know where they are now. We climbed the mountains and arrived among the Banyai. There we settled, and after a time we moved southwards to the Transvaal; but we are not the Banyai.

Over the Sea Implying Sena/Sa'ana Sanali.SD (talk) 21:12, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting but your edit contradicts the source. Doug Weller talk 21:35, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I’ll try and find some more valid sources and re-edit the segment later on in accordance with the rules Sanali.SD (talk) 23:53, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why did you restore the previous see also links on the Lemba article? A lot of the links there have very little to do with Lemba people from an academic perspective and most don’t make any mention of Lemba people within their own articles. I also saw you restored a link that you had previously removed but was placed their again but an unnamed edit. Sanali.SD (talk) 22:46, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, missed this. Doug Weller talk 07:22, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yeah I’ll try and bear that in mind for future edits. Thanks 👍 Sanali.SD (talk) 09:18, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

March 2024

Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit(s) you made to History of the Jews in Zimbabwe, did not appear to be constructive and have been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use your sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. Sinclairian (talk) 12:00, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This should have been a quotation

At Lemba people, "Tudor Parfitt interprets that the legend about the destruction of the boat and the division of the tribe is perhaps a way of explaining the fact that Lemba clans are to be found in several separate locations. However, it could equally be taken as an expression of a fractured sense of identity". I thought it was your speculation. By the way, see [1]. Doug Weller talk 07:21, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject

Hi, I see you've contributed a lot to Lemba people, would you be interested in a taskforce on oral tradition? Kowal2701 (talk) 19:06, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's fine with me. Sanali.SD (talk) 06:56, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]