User talk:SISLEY

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Your edit to [[Category:Croatian language films]]

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It is a mistake of IMDb, you can find all the information about Croatian in the articles. Another mistake: Grbavica (film) here or in IMDb, you can find two languages Bosnian and Serbo-Croatian, more mistakes ? Beyond Borders in Catalan-language films.SISLEY 21:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Languages in film

Hi Sisley, please be aware that language categories for films should only represent languages spoken in a significant portion of a film. There is no harm in noting in the body of the article that there is a conversation in another language or something of that nature but a category in most instances is unwarranted.

On another matter, I have reverted Category:Croatian language films. I'm not a linguist and have no idea whether it is a language or a dialect so can't argue the point. However, please don't make pages into messages. Have a look at WP:CFD, you'll find info there that may be useful to you and help get the category deleted completely. It will depend on a community consensus so you will be required to state your case. Don't be surprised if you get some opposition, don't take it personally and stick to factual argument. If you need any help, let me know on my talk page. Malla nox 03:47, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's not true, before I started to do the categorisations, you guys put the category of a given language in films where the language was not very spoken, sometimes even when the language was not spoken at all, as in Beyond Borders with Catalan-language films.

Anyway, a significant portion of a film can be lots of things.

I put the message in the article because I was ignored and you didn't care about linguistic discussions in categorisations about languages.

Please be aware that a lot of people edit film articles some of them are unaware of the agreed standards just because one article was categorised to a particular standard doesn't mean all others should be the same. I agree that a significant portion isn't precise and that's deliberate, it allows for discussion and consensus building so that individual articles are the best they can be and not forced to comply to a rigid set of rules. Malla nox 23:45, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sisley, don't insult Croats with putting Croat language films under frankenstein-category "Serbo-Croatian language films".
You obviously don't understand the matter.
If you tell to any Croat (in real life) that he speaks "Serbo-Croat" or that his language is in fact "Serbo-Croat", you'll insult him heavily. Depending on person, you'll get various reactions, from total ignorance, to heavy verbal insults or even physical sanctions. So, drop it.
Classifying isn't always innocent action; in this case, classifying can bring you problems. It's not funny being insulted.
For God's sake, one of reasons why Yugoslavia has dissoluted was growing influence of Greaterserbian linguistic imperialism in official policy of former Yugoslavia.
We, Croats, didn't wanted to live in a country, where our culture (and language, besides other things) 'll end in a submissive position and at the end vanish.
The term "Serbo-Croat" (for describing of Central South Slavic diasystem) is abandoned in scientific literature, because of its seriously negative political conotations. Kubura 14:06, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's not an insult, lingustics say that Serbo-Croate is a language, and Croatian one of its dialects, there was a consensus some months ago, you can put all those films in the category Croatian-language films inside Serbo-Croatian language films, in this case, Croatian is not a language, but a dialect; but you can find languages inside those categories, for instance in Chinese language films or Sign language films. Your political opinions cannot be in a enciclopaedia and you should understand that.

"Croatian" one of the dialects of so-called "Serbo-Croatian"???
Where do you live?
What "consensus" about that?
What "linguistics" says that??
You can't tell the difference between the language and the dialect.
Croatian language consists of three dialects: Čakavian, Kajkavian and Štokavian - the latter has subdialects: Western (Dalmato-Bosnian), Slavonian, Eastern Bosnian, Dubrovnikan, Eastern Herzegovinian.
Serbian language consists of two dialects: Torlakian and Štokavian - the latter has subdialects: Kosovo-Resavan, Zeto-Sanjakian, Eastern Herzegovinian, Vojvodina-Shumadian.
Kubura 07:02, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First of all I don't have to tell you where I live, I have the same rights to preserve my anonimity as you have. I'm just folllowing liguistic rules, you can find lots of dialects which claim to be languages (Valencian with Catalan, etc). But they're not languages at all, but dialects, you can find all those information in each article of this very enciclopaedia.

The consensus of clustering all those films by language in the great category of Serbo-Croatian-language films is the best way to classify those films, because I don't know if you have realised that some of those films are categoprised just in Serbo-Croatian, maybe because some of them were made in the ex-Yugoslavia, or they were made in other contries and they didn't distinguish all those accents/languages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SISLEY (talk • contribs) 09:23 19 April 2007

"Where do you live?" is a rhetorical question in Croatian language.
It's used, when you want to "say" to your "opponent" that he/she has the knowledge of a person who is isolated from the rest of the world and has no connection with reality, and knows nothing about subject being discussed.
I don't want to touch anybody's privacy.
About "not languages, but dialects", you're wrong.
You're talking about the things you have no idea.
You just say:"they are dialects, not languages", and these are your arguments??? Who do you think you are?
"You can find all those information in each article of this enciclopaedia"? You really have no idea.
I've told you all the languages and their dialects, but no, mr Sisley is pushing what he thinks that is correct. You don't understand those languages, so don't mess into things you don't understand.
maybe because some of them were made in the ex-Yugoslavia, or they were made in other contries and they didn't distinguish all those accents/languages.
I know these languages, I recognise them. Any user from former Yugoslavia 'll agree about the "separation" (even during Yugoslavia Croatian language had its independent status, although Croats had to hardly fight against those who wanted to deny the existence of Croatian, or even assimilate it into Serbian language), they all recognise Croatian, Bosniac, Serbian, Montenegrin language. Only "yugounitarists" (that was a sociological category in Yugoslavia; yugounitarism was characterised in ex-Yu as something negative). Kubura 18:25, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you know nothing about me, and you do not know if I am an expert or not in this issue.

I'm afraid is you who's a little bit isolated from the rest of the world. Linguistics have a wider perspective of all languages, of course you can find differences between the dialects of a language and of course some speakers of some dialects claim to have a different language. But the only way to establish a linguistic reality as a language or as a dialect is the comparison of all languages (English, German, Basque, Japonese, etc).

Anyway, I think you're confusing Serbian with Serbo-Croatian (aka Croato-Serbian) you even said some people didn't want to recognise that linguistic reality or they wanted it to be a part of a so-called Serbian language, but what I mean is that they are both dialects of the same language, not languages, I'm not discredit any country or any dialect or whatever, I'm just following linguistic guidelines. You can find particularities like that if you ingestigate, not only in English, but also in more languages, for instance,néerlandais (Dutch in French) has two important dialects flamand (Flemish) or hollandais (it has more, see this link:[1]). It's the same thing in Spanish with neerlandés/flamenco, holandés.

Kasal, Kasali, Kasalo

Do you know why/how this is both a Tagalog-language and an English-language film? --Mel Etitis (Talk) 11:07, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mmm, you have that information in the article, in IMDB is just in Tagalog, but maybe there are some conversations in English — Preceding unsigned comment added by SISLEY (talk • contribs) 11:09, 12 March 2007

Then it doesn't count as an English-language film. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 12:06, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

db-self template

Please don't add the {{db-self}} tag to articles that you did not create. If you have concerns about the validity of a category, please use WP:CFD. Thanks. --Ed (Edgar181) 13:03, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, the categories were twice

I don't know whether it should be deleted or not, but that's not the point. Putting the db-self tag on it is not appropriate because you did not create it. WP:CFD is the appropriate place to deal with disputed categories. Also, please be civil in your interactions with Thewanderer (talk · contribs), referring to his good faith edits as "VANDALISM" is a violation of Wikipedia ettiquette. --Ed (Edgar181) 15:19, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop adding inappropriate deletion tags to categories that you don't like, or you may be blocked for disruption. I have created Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_March_13#Category:Croatian_language_films. Discuss it there. --Ed (Edgar181) 18:33, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is your last warning. Do not add the {{db-self}} template to something that you did not create. Categories that are disputed are not candidates for speedy deletion. --Ed (Edgar181) 17:36, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A last warning for what? You guys have invented new languages and you didn't pay attention to the rest of the categories of films by language, as I repeated several times, I didn't create the categories, if you have problems with them, you should complain to the people who created the categories of films by language.

Please read this sentence carefully: Do not add {{db-self}} to something that you did not create. That is want you have been repeatedly warned for repeatedly doing. --Ed (Edgar181) 21:54, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed renaming of Category:Algonquin-language films to Category:Algonquian-language films

Please visit Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Indigenous_peoples_of_North_America#Renaming_of_a_category, as it may be of your interest. The issue here is that there seems to be confusion between the Algonquians and the Algonquins. CJLippert 03:21, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed renaming of Category:None-language films

Hi. And I've proposed a rename to the None-language films category. I think you've got the right idea but "None-language" is gramatically incorrect. Shawn in Montreal 14:55, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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