User talk:Ryu Kaze/Archive2

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Talk page design

Well, what do you think? Any changes: color scheme, want one of the borders removed, etc.? By the way, if you're wondering why the table isn't stretching all the way down, it's because it needs more text. So don't worry about it, since I'm sure your talk page will fill up. If the discussion gets too long and you want to archive, then make sure to go to User:Ryu Kaze/Talk to adjust it. Oh, and if there's any font you want to use, then I can go make changes with the font. (I'm glad I could get at least this done, sorry to make you wait Ryu)!

By the way, do you want sort of a header stating: Welcome to my talk page or something? —Mir l e n 17:51, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, no problem! Glad you like it. Font adjusted and welcome header added. :) (Btw, there's an archive message on your archive page just to let you know, feel free to replace the message with your own). —Mir l e n 18:40, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, thanks, Ryu! :) But I haven't even finished your userpage design! Which reminds me, would you prefer a table layout like Deck's or Sango's, or sort of a heading layout like mine's? —Mir l e n 18:15, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, okay. I'm not the best with table aligning, but I can manage. I have two different table layout designs I'm currently toying with right now... —Mir l e n 18:20, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wow

Great looking Talk page!
And woohoo!! lots of goodies at your GameFAQ thread! Can I pust a link to it on my little forum ?

BTW, We are having some hot debate about where DZ is. I think it's under the ocean... [1]. No one has proved me wrong yet... If you want ot chime in. there is no need to register to post your musings, so you can post as anonymous Renmiri 22:47, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Weee! I will add the link then. Meh, AG was right then... I added pics if you want to see but you two convinced me. Stop by to discuss canon oce in a while, will ya ? Renmiri 23:34, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

pssst.. Check your e-mail. Link to some goodies there Renmiri 20:10, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Wow! You never cease to amaze me.. File:Grin.gif. Thanks for the link! BTW, do you have any reference as to why we say Cid's Airship was called Farenheit ? Someone at the Talk:List of Final Fantasy X characters is asking for a ref. Renmiri 02:43, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That is great, thanks! Renmiri 03:57, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sure thing, just give me 2-3 days to get to it! I have been pretty busy with the site move, but I'll have time now that we finally did it.. BTW, you are a fan of Anima's fayth, right ? Scroll down a bit and click play on this page, already on the new site. Renmiri 23:33, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

PS: Did you try going to the old url ? The stinky host simply pulled the entire site out! Good thing we were so close to move date. Anyway, the "site previously known as FFProject" is now at [2] Renmiri 23:33, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Aww shucks, thanks! Want to help debate the Magus Sisters Mythos ? [3] Renmiri 23:34, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Darn it, new sites always have those hiccups! Try http://ffproject.net/ and go to Forum... BTW, I have just loaded all the other Aeon's fayth movies [4] just pick and choose Renmiri 00:28, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh... Time to yell at my web host. Hopefully it will be fixed soon. You are quite welcome BTW Renmiri 01:18, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oooooo! I had a typo on my url. Fixed it [5] BTW, Thanks! I really try to write good English :-) but it is hard sometimes.. My native language is portuguese. I speak spanish and italian too but not nearly as good as I speak English. Renmiri 04:35, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Uematsu of FFX music fame in US!!!

Plays in Chicago on 5/27, other appearances too http://ffproject.intense-host.net/viewtopic.php?t=447

If you come to the show, lets meet, I already got tickets for me , hubby and my pups. Too bad I don't know if I'll have a babysitter handy, otherwise I would have sprung money for the $125 ticket that includes - gasp - meet and talk to Uematsu! But with 3 little kids in tow I'd probably have one of them cry or spill punch in one of the guests so we are just going to the show ;-) Renmiri 04:37, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cool! I gotta try that Farplane thingie... Renmiri 04:37, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Final Fantasy 8 reception

I hope this is how I start a new line of discussion here, because I don't see an actual button for that... Anyway, I wanted to chime in and say that, even though I did not input it, the statement of the polarizing effect of Final Fantasy 8 seemed completely factual to me. To add detail; Final Fantasy 8 is what I consider to be the least Final Fantasy made yet. Lowest on my list. Yet I can think of at least two friends for whom it is either #1 or #2. Still as another discrepancy, in the reader/editor poll for Game Informer's 100 Greatest Games of all Time list, in I beleive the year 2000, Final Fantasy 8 was the only American-released, story oriented FF entry to not make the grade (the other game not to make it was the original, combat oriented game). Since critics are near unanimous in their praise of FF, and yet are not in their praise of FF8, I feel the reception bears out inclusion of this as fact in the article, especially since no one stated it was reflective of the game's quality. As a comparison, if someone said that Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom was the most polarizing Jones movie, with the highest split of fan opinion, I don't think anyone would view that as anything other than fact, and I feel FF8 has similar notoriety in the FF universe. Thanks for listening to me rant!

Yeah, you did right in how you added the message. To your point now: Hm. I think I can understand what you're saying, and I honestly feel inclined to agree with you, but for one thing. Once upon a time, this would have certainly been true, as FFVIII did have quite a split; however, Final Fantasy X-2 has a comparable reputation amongst fans, despite having ginormous sales like FFVIII (second and fifth best-selling FFs, respectively). I didn't delete the information so much because it seemed non-neutral as I did because we really can't confirm that sort of thing at this point in time. Does that make sense?

Final Fantasy X-2's reception has been about the same as VIII's, really, and since this is an issue dealing more with how the game has been received among those who have played it than it is dealing with how many people have played it and how they received it, I don't think we can fairly add something like that without a source. Beforehand, I would have agreed to it, but now I just don't feel like it's appropriate until we can be sure. Thoughts? Ryu Kaze 05:39, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, you see, I...couldn't get through that one. It's collecting dust while I debate another try. In FFX I laughed, I clapped, I cried like a baby at the end, and I thought about the last line for weeks afterwards. And while I actually viewed X2 as the logical extension of what would happen to that world in the wake of the destruction of such an impressive threat, I found myself wanting the story to end the way it already had. That said, I do feel there is a distinction between the main series and all spin-offs and now sequels. Perhaps a note on how it is the most polarizing of the central series? I would argue that many fans take the central series as canon and want nothing to do with any of the sequels, from X2 to Advent Children (no spoilers on that please, haven't seen it yet). This is also related to the possibility, IMO, that the reception bits of the article should deal with more than sales for such a hotly debated series? It's arguably the most successful electronic RPG series of all time, and as such that other factors should be taken into consideration. Perhaps not the original wording, but something. That said, I would also include a similar notation in the entry for FFX2 (which I haven't looked at, not wanting to know the story). That is, of course, my opinion.

A note on it being polarizing as far as the central series goes might be alright, but I'm opposed to using "the most." Something like "One of the more polarizing" would be appropriate. Because of its high sales volume, we just have more people who played VIII who we can hear on a consistent basis. V actually has a pretty big mixed reception, as well, so simply because we can't offer proof for the claim, I think we should go with safer wording. I'd actually be completely fine with a line like that being in there, and think it's a good idea. Ryu Kaze 13:57, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What about

"Among critics and fans, FF8 is one of the more polarizing entries in the main series, and flcutuates on lists to a greater degree than most others."

Or did you add something already?

I haven't added anything yet, but if I did, it would probably be "Among fans of the Final Fantasy series, the game is one of the more polarized in terms of overall reception." Ryu Kaze 20:56, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So is that what's going in then?

If you have no objections, I'll go ahead and add it in there. Ryu Kaze 22:34, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Works for me!

Series?

Sorry, one other note. A friend of mine who has been playing RPGs since before I was born was unaware that Final fantasies are not intended to be an ongoing series. I feel this should be addressed in the entries for each game, and I would not say such except for one fact; if one squints just a little, you could see them as a record of fictional history much like Tolkien. For example: The first one and from what I hear the third one, which I also have not played, deal with plots that sound very much like legends set in prehistoric times held by many actual groups in real life. We could place those first. The second has the least technological advancement but deals in actual names and such...we could place that second earliest. And on and on. I meet a lot of people to whom this is not clear.

It would be redundant and unnecessary to mention it on each game's page, as well as distracting. Mention of it is on the main Final Fantasy page ("Unlike a typical sequel, Final Fantasy II featured entirely different characters, with a setting and story bearing only some thematic similarities to its predecessor. This unusual approach to sequels has continued throughout the series, with each major Final Fantasy game introducing a new world, and a new system of gameplay"; "Though each Final Fantasy story is independent, many themes and elements of gameplay recur throughout the series"), which is the only place it truly should be.

Also, the concept you mention isn't allowed on Wikipedia because it's Original Research and Fanruft. I hope I've been able to address your concerns. Ryu Kaze 14:03, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't advocating adding the chronology bit, just noting that it could be seen that way fairly easily. I didn't know this was included in the main entry, must have missed that. Guess that clears that up!

Re: Quick Question (Spira (Final Fantasy X))

The decision to shift the "Designing Spira" section down below the TOC (as opposed to beside it) is based on the fact that in the majority of Wikipedia articles, all text after the lead paragraph appears underneath the TOC. From an aesthetic perspective, the white space is pleasing and more readable than the previous version — the previous version had a tendency to squeeze the "Designing Spira" section into a tiny vertical space between the TOC and the Map of Spira (especially true for lower resolution users). I do see your point though, and I'll try and find a way to fill up the "ugly" white space. Thanks for dropping by! :) ~ Flooch 16:12, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I shifted the right-aligned map to the center, and replaced it with the wider version that was recently added to Final Fantasy X. Tell me what you think. ~ Flooch 16:31, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Also...

Yeah, Final Fantasy X is ready; I'm at the stage where I really don't want to even look at the article let alone edit it. XD I'll let you do the honours. ~ Flooch 00:32, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Couldn't find any criteria either, so I'm concluding that the FAC process is expedited by the administrators through some hidden criteria. ~ Flooch 03:30, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children plot conciseness

Trimming can sometimes accidentally result in important plot events left without much explanation/detail/description, such as, "Cloud is attacked by three men". XD Don't worry, I went ahead and fixed it; overall, well done. ~ Flooch 13:50, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wooohooo! FAC ?

Weee. Super. I have my fingers crossed Renmiri 00:35, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

FAC

Basically, what happens is this: after several days, Raul reviews the FAC and sees if the major opposes have been taken care of. If all relevant, changable opposes have been fixed, he'll promote the article. We still have a good few days, even if we get all supports ^_^ — Deckill e r 14:27, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"The Article"

So, there are a few touchups I'm wondering if we can improve the Final Fantasy X article with now that the content is pretty much set in stone. One thing is that we have a few red links: I know its good for readers to be able to create their own articles for these various topics, but should they be in a featured article where we're trying to give the reader as much information as possible? Should we go ahead and stub these articles? Also, the dates we have wikified link directly to the years and their major events; should they link to something more specific (under Wikipedia:Only make links that are relevant to the context, as in replacing [[2001]] with [[2001 in video gaming]]? Finally, I believe there's a guideline about only having one link per article, although I can't find it at the moment. We may need to remove links from characters and such that appear more than once in the articles (other than in the series template). What do you think? ~ Hibana 18:08, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

All right. You could use IMDB as a reference for their known work (if you want to provide a little information), but it might be better just to research them a little bit from a search engine. ~ Hibana 19:37, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's all I can think of for now. Thanks, and good work. ~ Hibana 21:21, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

FAC

Huh? The FAC is going extremely well compared to most. Notice that the guy said "some" poor writing. He could've summed up his object in one sentence "Object, needs a copyedit and some slight rewording, but otherwise fine." Don't worry, it's going surprisingly well. — Deckill e r 18:50, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah. Don't worry, some of these people are wording their objections quite wrong. FAC voters do it all the time; they don't understand the delicate balance between editors and articles. — Deckill e r 18:55, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding User:igordebraga's comments on the FFX FAC, I do somewhat agree with his comment that the Character section could be shortened. The paragraphs on the specific designs details of Lulu, Yuna, and Tidus are repeated again in their respective articles — we could trim them on that basis. ~ Flooch 01:08, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I'll do the edit. Modify it to your liking. ~ Flooch 01:28, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I found Zzzzz's point about the scores well justified; and I realised that the listing of sales and scores didn't give much in the way of actual insight. So yeah: I'd also love to see more reviewer's notes as opposed to arbitrarily assigned game scores (Good to see you put in the notes by Edge. Are there any more criticisms like this?) ~ Flooch 06:56, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've just had a look at the metacritic reviews. Stuff like "weak voice acting" and "tedious plot" could be given a better mention, as well as the praise, i.e. the good graphics (which you've already done). Could we quote and/or paraphrase the stuff there? Referencing might be troublesome, how would you do it? ~ Flooch 07:23, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll give the article another go-over; the additions you made to the 'Critical response' section are great. Good work on digging up all the info on the development too! ~ Flooch 04:07, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Family first

Awww... I will miss you here but I understand completely. I too had to scale back a bit all my web activities. Kids grow up so fast! You blink and they will be bratty teenagers and you missed all the "fun years". Go w/o regret, your work here has made such a difference that will take ages to forget!

As for the forum thingie, yeah, we are up an slowly our old users are finding us.. Not that hard, we only had a handful of regulars anyway. Don't worry about it, as I said before, your participation in any way will be fun enough and if you don't even have time for that, I can always pester you here at wiki with more questions ;-) And you can just ignore me if you are out of time to answer, no harm done File:Grin.gif Renmiri 05:12, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Talking about pestering... Do you have anything on FFX's non-existant Water Aeon ? [6]

PPS, I had an essay that talks about parenting and FFX, if you ever want to read it.. It's at my forum [7] or at ffx2.com [8]

IMHO video games are much better than TV for kids, now that your little one is getting to an age that she can follow stories, it may be fun to "take trips to Spira" or to Yoshi's island as a family or on a "dad & daughter adventure". And your wife will get a much needed sanity break with time for herself File:Grin.gif. In my view, I don't think it "rots their brain" like TV, if you chose each game they play with care, let me tell you why. First, the ratings WORK on video games, Rated PG games have no sex, no violence, period. I've had a lot of bad surprises with TV movies rated PG. Then there are NO commercials in video games. No one is selling barbie stuff and junk food like candy to your kid. Plus videoames are interactive, they require thought, action, perseverance.. Not passive couch potato stuff at all! Third, Nikki needs a bit of small motor skill practice, so VG controls give her that without putting playdoh on my carpet or letting her cut the cat's furry tail ;-) VGs also give excellent hand/eye coordination to my pups and prepare them to be good at computers. And after my kids grew out of Barney and Teletubbies, the PBS stuff just doesn't cut it for them... So VGs are the only place I can be sure about what they are watching. All the other kid shows have girls and bys having crushes for each other and I'm not exactly ready for Nikki to start dating at 7...

Those are just my thoughts anyway... Suffice it to say, me, hubby and my kids have lots of fun with them Renmiri 14:24, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

PS: Thanks for the kind comments on my essay! Renmiri 14:25, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

FA

Wow, this thing is brutal, heh ? I'm glad you and Deck are the ones taking to task to answer most of the criticism... My temper would not have allowed me to be nearly that polite! Renmiri 15:06, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, most definitely the criticism helped improve it, the page shines right now! I remember another first of FFX, the face rendering engine SE used to give characters a more realistic view, the underwater gaming and the more adult look and feel. Gotta dig references for it though..

But with my temper I'd have bitten the critics head off ;-) I'm so glad you diplomatic skills are way better than mine! Renmiri 17:30, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Another review coming your way soon Renmiri 00:29, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Userpage

Hey, I'm almost done, there're just few irritating problems and touches (e.g. getting the translation box to stretch across the page, and getting the image caption aligned). If you want to go ahead and use it, feel free. But what do you think? Hope you like it! —Mir l e n 21:07, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, forgot to tell you where >_< — sorry, Ryu! It's at my sandbox! —Mir l e n 01:41, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Haha, thanks, Ryu — glad you're happy. :D You fixed the caption alignment...if I can get the translation box and 'Gifts and awards' box to stretch across, it'll be great. I'll leave it alone for now, and perhaps I'll somebody find the solution and tweak it. Or, if you don't want me to, then feel free to revert it. —Mir l e n 23:37, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, didn't realize until now that you'd left a message. And yup, the userboxes look fine on the page. :) —Mir l e n 00:01, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

FFXFA

It's been a rough FA, but I think we'll pull through. — Deckill e r 21:36, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

FFX Coins

WOW! Amazing quality!!!! Thanks Ryu! Renmiri 00:30, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ffx cover art

You don't need to apology for uploading another instance of the image, since it was for the FAC and I know you're greatly involved in this and you want it to work. I didn't know it was for the FAC at the first place, but I read the comment about it just now. I didn't pay enough attention to my scan for the black bar at the top, and it's true that the black is mixed with some brown crap, because the black ink on my own cover is not as great as it used to be and I fixed it in photoshop with the paint tool, but because the birghtness of my screen was way too low, the parts that were still brown looked perfect black to me, so I could see no problem with my image, until I put the brightness at 100%. Now I can see that my paint job is not really subtle. I'll try to correct this in Photoshop, and I'll probably upload a new version in a few minutes with no problem this time.--DarkEvil 21:51, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, I just uploaded a new version, which I think is correct. And good luck for the FAC, I'll vote after reading the article.--DarkEvil 22:03, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]