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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheating_in_poker

Please don't delete my info since it is very valuable to online poker community.

If you disagree please suggest another form to expose it, otherwise i will change it permanently and contact wikipedia for censorship.

Best Regards,

Poker Guardians — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poker Guardians (talk • contribs) 15:13, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Please review the policies for what's appropriate to add to a Wikipedia article. Anything contentious needs to include a reliable source. Rray (talk) 15:27, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

I didn't know that detailed information on blogs were considered unreliable just by the simple fact of beeing hosted at blogspot.com

Any information as long as it is very detailed and proven with facts is considered reliable in my opinion.

If you have any doubts about the facts you can contact Ongame to correct the information that is false. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poker Guardians (talk • contribs) 16:51, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Since this discussion is about a particular change to a particular article, I think it would be better to discuss it on the talk page the article rather than here. That way you and I can both get other contributors' input. Rray (talk) 18:42, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

You wrote: Any information as long as it is very detailed and proven with facts is considered reliable in my opinion. Regarding this, please understand that your opinion isn't really relevant as to the definition of a reliable source--I included a link to the Wikipedia project's policies about reliable sources on your talk page. Rray (talk) 20:03, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

I have no idea what you are talking about. I am new to wikipedia and this is very confusing. Please refer to links because this is very confusing i don't even know if i am talking to you in private or in public.

As to that particular article. It has obsolete links that are still there.

Please send me all the requirements to post that valuable information to the poker community.

If you send one requirement at a time i will see it as a barrier to freedom of speech and i will edit back the article all the time. Specially when i don't understand the reasons why you are doing it.

If you have any problems just make a list of the problems and i solve them so you don't have any other excuse to re-edit.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poker Guardians (talk • contribs) 19:06, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

The best place for you to start contributing to the Wikipedia would be reading through the links in the welcome message I left on your talk page. As far as your edits go, this is a collaborative project. If you make changes to an article, anyone else can come behind you and edit, change, and/or remove your work. If that's a problem for you, then you shouldn't contribute. Please don't threaten to "edit back the article all the time." That's edit-warring, and you can be barred from editing altogether for that. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_warring. Rray (talk) 19:57, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

The sources are reliable. If you don't believe them that's another thing.

If you want to contribute remove obsolete links like 5 and 6.

Links to 2 and 3 might be considered advertisement to PokerStars and PartyPoker since they are explictly saying they are better than Absolute Poker and Ultimate Bet and that is in violation of WikiPedia rules.

There is also a citation without any reliable source that should be removed:

"A similar form of angle shooting which is mostly confined to the online game (although not theoretically impossible in live poker) is repeated short buying or short stacking.[citation needed]"

Please don't remove the information posted, it is very valuable to all users that are looking for online cheating and i believe that is what this article is about. Go to www.ongame.se and check if it has any false information.

You are removing my edits without any reason so let's hope that a moderator come and blocks one of us. I don't mind to be censored, the truth will eventually reach the public. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poker Guardians (talk • contribs) 20:56, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Please don't post on my talk page any more. Rray (talk) 21:17, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Note

I agree your reverts are protected from 3RR, and I doubt another admin will disagree. But if you run into this situation in the future, please seek help somewhere (WP:AN3 probably in this case) rather than just revert the other editor indefinitely. Then, it just becomes a contest of who can outlast the other, and when an admin runs across it eventually, they see the 6 reverts by each editor and think "block 'em both and let God sort it out". Anyway, I've got my eye on it for a while now. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:17, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

You're right. I'll do that if it comes up again in the future. Thanks for your note. Rray (talk) 22:20, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Blackjack Revision as of 17:26, 11 February 2012

Two of the calculator sites you have removed, did a dynamic online calculation of the best strategy, using the current distribution in the shoe. This understanding is fundamentally described in E. Thorb's book. For instance have a look here: http://www.beatblackjack.org/tables.html . There is no reason to mark these as advertisements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Galbum (talk • contribs) 21:47, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for getting in touch, but a more appropriate place to discuss this would be on the talk page for the article itself. That way other editors can weigh in with opinions. Rray 00:09, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Article Feedback deployment

Hey Rray; I'm dropping you this note because you've used the article feedback tool in the last month or so. On Thursday and Friday the tool will be down for a major deployment; it should be up by Saturday, failing anything going wrong, and by Monday if something does :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 22:17, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. Rray (talk) 00:09, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

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adding references

New editor, working to build out my sandbox. Yet, I'm having difficulties with adding some of my references... Joaneballe (talk) 19:47, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Not sure how I can help. If you need something specific from me, please let me know. :) Rray (talk) 22:49, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the response! Here's my sandbox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Joaneballe/sandbox

I'm trying to add this to my article i'm building and keep getting errors...

http://www.igamingbusiness.com/content/award-winning-casino-portal-askgamblerscom-has-just-released-its-new-app-iphone

http://www.cabusinessjournal.org/uncategorized/askgamblers-com-add-ethics-and-safety-to-online-gambling/

Let me know if you can help me! Joaneballe (talk) 23:30, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Rray, I noticed that you are a prolific wikipedia writer & editor in the gambling field and as such I wanted to discuss the addition of a few gambling terms. I'll just start off with a disclaimer: I am writing on behalf of 888 which is a global supplier of gambling games & products. I want to ask for your editorial approval to add new terms regarding 888. By that I mean the addition of the different 888 brands terms as part of the Wikiproject Gambling and it's other counterparts (Wikiproject poker, etc.).

This request originates after seeing that fellow gambling industry companies have established well organized & informative pages. Examples include: Poker: pokerstars, pokerstars big game, pokerstars million dollar challenge, full tilt poker Casino: 32red and many more.

I want to emphasize: This is NOT about spam. This is NOT an affiliate scam of some sort. This is NOT about gaining links.

This is about giving wikipedia users interested in 888 brands good & reliable content about their service provider. (Very much like the coca cola company has terms for the different brands it has: coca cola, seven up, fanta, etc.) Furthermore the current situation where some brands give users content and others don't, creates an uneven playing field in terms of user content availability. 888 poker for example, has it's own userbase (over 10M worldwide), it's own history, games offered, tournaments, etc.

It should be mentioned that currently there is a Wikipedia term connected to 888 which is 888 holdings which does not reflect at all the depth of the brands our users worldwide rely on, nor does it actually give good content regarding the different products which the users actually know & experience (and would be looking for on Wikipedia). 888 holdings is used as a business term (stock name & price, etc.) and is NOT the term known by our users, nor has the same meaning content wise, as mentioned.

According to Wikipedia's Notability guidelines: "When discussion of products and services would make the article unwieldy, some editorial judgment is called for. If the products and services are considered notable enough on their own, one option is to break out the discussion of them into a separate article"

What I ask of you is to give us your approval to create new 888 brands Wiki articles abiding Wikipedia's content guidelines that reflect the brands' history, depth, etc. We will send you the article for examination to make sure it abides by the rules. It's just important for us to do this the right way and I believe we have the same purpose in terms of content transparency.

We are aware of the fact that many try to abuse the gambling industry's articles. We have seen this on our general term numerous time (affiliate links, etc.), that's why we want to get this out in the open and do this correctly.

Thanks in advance for any assistance on this,

Eyal K., 888poker — Preceding unsigned comment added by Randomlog (talk • contribs) 15:23, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

My approval isn't necessary. I'm just another volunteer here like everyone else, but I'm not even very active lately. I'd recommend reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Spam. Also, if you'd like to discuss the content on the "888 Holdings" page that you mentioned, you should do so at the talk page for the article. Hope that helps. Rray (talk) 17:06, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Query about wiki deletion

Hi Rray, a few months ago I approached you with the query above regarding 888poker. Since then, I added a complete new article about the term: "888poker" about two weeks ago. Several editors seemed to have gone over it and all was fine. Wikipedia received the brands' approval for uploading unique content like brand logo, in game photo, etc. Items that I believe can improve wiki users experience.

Two days ago I found that a user called "2005" deleted my entire Wiki article, simply taking off the page with all its content and redirecting it to 888 holdings (with no new content added). I explained the basic difference between a well known brand with distinct users and it's corporate term which I had explained here on the conversation above. The answer I received was unclear (and even rude). You can see the conversation here at the end of the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:2005

As all content uploaded was 100% new, informational & non spam (abiding by the links you sent me in our conversation above). I have no idea why we wouldn't want to actually enhance wikipedia and improve it to users (isn't this the idea of wikipedia in the first place!?). As other editors who went over this did not find a reason to completely remove the article, I feel this is poor judgement by a lone editor and I request your experience as an editor to see if this is an acutal breach of wiki guidelines and give an editor's second opinion. I would appreciate any help on this issue as I would not go to the hassle of gathering all the information, investing time & effort to write a wiki article if I would believe it would just be erased on a whim. The original article can be found on the term "888poker" (view history). I would appreciate your opinion on this issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.118.64.29 (talk) 10:13, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thanks Ray!

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I can see that you are very interested in horror films and I was wondering if you would like to review an article I nominated for GA: Wes Craven's The Hills Have Eyes. Thanks for your consideration!MagicatthemovieS (talk) 17:09, 5 October 2018 (UTC)MagicatthemovieS

Thanks! I'll check it out. Rray (talk) 17:50, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

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Are you paid to edit Wikipedia? Alexbrn (talk) 20:24, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

No. Why? Rray (talk) 20:24, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Because you keep deleting content from Nutrisystem that is well-sourced, but which makes their diet seem like a less attractive product, with shifty edit summaries. It looks like you are trying to spin the article. Alexbrn (talk) 20:29, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

I think you and I were editing the article at the same time, or one right after the other. Sorry about that. Looks I missed something in the source when I read it, too. Mea culpa, and thanks. Rray (talk) 20:34, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

No worries, and thanks for improving the article :-) Alexbrn (talk) 20:38, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Michael Weirsky

I started a draft about Michael Weirsky. Can you please make it a full article that is a good article or featured article, please? I would prefer it to be featured article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Michael_Weirsky — Preceding unsigned comment added by LotteryGeek (talk • contribs) 00:39, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

This is a little outside my wheelhouse. I'm not sure who Michael Weirsky is, other than a Google search suggests he won the lottery. That, by itself, doesn't seem to qualify him for an encyclopedia article. Let me know if I'm missing something. Rray (talk) 14:53, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

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