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El Sello De Los Tiempos album cover

I was wondering why you keep removing the album cover from the El Sello De Los Tiempos article and replacing it with one that doesn't meet the fair use rationale (image size)? Esradekan Gibb ^"Talk" 10:47, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Edit summaries

Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary. Thank you.

I notice you virtually never include edit summaries with your changes. It is recommended practice and in my experience not doing so makes it more likely another editor will revert changes so I encourage you to do it. Ros0709 (talk) 11:05, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notability of Skizoo

A tag has been placed on Skizoo requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Corvus cornix_talk 06:27, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia. Please do not remove speedy deletion tags from pages that you have created yourself, as you did with Skizoo. If you do not believe the page should be deleted, then please place {{hangon}} on the page (please do not remove any existing speedy deletion tag) and make your case on the page's talk page. Administrators will look at your reasoning before deciding what to do with the page. Thank you. Corvus cornix_talk 06:44, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not an admin and I didn't delete anything. It was deleted by Pegasus. I had already decided that, despite no real claims of notability, I was going to sidestep out of the discussion. Corvus cornix_talk 21:14, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know Pegasus personally, but since he/she deleted the article, they must be an admin, because only admins can delete articles. You ought to discuss this with them at User:Pegasus's Talk page. Corvus cornix_talk 21:30, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Logos and flags

Read the Template:Infobox musical artist guidelines and discussions. No Logos in the infobox. Also read WP:MOSFLAG. No flags in infoboxes. These 2 rules have been quoted in previous edit summaries. Please read them. 156.34.217.154 (talk) 02:29, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Read the guideline. "Text-only" field. And if you see any logos in any other articles. Remove them. Dream Theater has no logo. 156.34.217.154 (talk) 08:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect formatting

Read the rules and guidelines for Template:Infobox musical artist. Years without specific dates do not get wikilinked. Just read the guidelines so that you won't make so many mistakes. 156.34.213.34 (talk) 23:24, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The only thing that goes in the Years field is Years. Not other superfluous text is allowed. 156.34.213.34 (talk) 23:29, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure. The key function of the infobox is to avoid superfluity, avoid fine details, be general. If the 92-94, 96-98 years were side project years... then they aren't really years that apply directly to the subject named in the article title. And I notice the history section makes no reference to them and starts at 2001. So those years don't apply in the Years field as per the guidelines. I also noticed that you have the band member names linked and bold in the Band member section. This is also not proper formatting as per WP:MOS-L. All those names are already linked earlier in the article. A name or word only needs to be linked once in an article. And the instruments don't get linked because they are just common words and don't need linking to support the subject matter. You should clean that section up next time you're editing the page. Read WP:MUSTARD. It provides guidelines for editing music related articles and making them look right. And read WP:MOS which gives all the editing style rules for all Wiki articles. 156.34.213.34 (talk) 23:53, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I always quote a policy or guideline in all my edit summaries. You can always just follow thise links to find out where it went wrong. If the demo was recorded in 1997 then that should be added, with a reference, to the the main body of the article. 156.34.213.34 (talk) 00:08, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Undo your Portal Rush edits. On Wikipedia the correct link is Rush (band) because the common word "rush" has dozens of meanings and is a disambiguous link. Your Portal edits have just screwed up a whole bunch of wikilinks. You will have to undo your damage or I will have to get an admistrator to revert it for you. Please be more careful next time. 156.34.213.34 (talk) 00:12, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What does "it wasn't a band but they made a recording" mean? 156.34.213.34 (talk) 00:31, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Then I would suggest a short "pre WarCry" section at the start of the article history section to explain the origins and projects that would eventually become the band. Nothing to detailed... no text that shows any 'opinions' that might look like original research. You are familiar with the subject. The history section just seems to jump right in at 2001 so it would really make the article flow a little better with a brief background anyways. 156.34.213.34 (talk) 00:41, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies, didn't notice that paragraph. It's out of place in the introduction. Read WP:LEAD. I would move it down into the History section. The article is in need of a copyedit/style/grammar overview. It reads a bit more like a magazime article and less like an encyclpedia article. Encyclopedia articles should be dry and... well... boring... if you catch my meaning. No adjectives. Before any "Wikifying" is done best to get the parts in the right place. It's a It's a decent article about a banda I had nver heard of up until I stumbled across the Logo/Flag/formatting problems. It has perked my interest enough I will try and find some of their music to listen to. 156.34.213.34 (talk) 00:56, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am getting ready to sign out for the day. I know a few good copyeditors who can help. I will see if any of them want to work as a team to perk the page up a little. Wikipedia works much better as a community than as a single editor. And Wikipedia wasn't built in a day either. It will all get done in time. Together we can make this page convey all the required information... and still look like an encyclopedia article and not an amateur fansite. 156.34.213.34 (talk) 01:27, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Moving by cut-and-paste

Hi Rockk3r. Regarding Pablo García (musician): on Wikipedia, we are not permitted to move pages by cutting-and-pasting because it splits the article's edit histories that are important for attribution and many other things. Please follow the procedures at Wikipedia:Requested moves if you want to move a page like this. Thanks. --Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 05:37, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

also List_of_CryWar_band_members and Directo a la luz, deleting or blanking content is often seen as vandalism, please follow normal procedures to make moves and preserve histories. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:21, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved List_of_CryWar_band_members to List_of_WarCry_band_members, to merge their histories. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:44, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are free to edit, including deleting unsourced basura. I just wanted to make sure that the histories got merged. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:50, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to delete it, why do worry that I call it basura? If it isn't basura, don't delete it, then. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:03, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WarCry

Because you are claimng you are the copyright holder of the image and it is contested that you actually created the image. Do you want to offer any proof? -Nv8200p talk 03:34, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The uploader is responsible for providing the source. -Nv8200p talk 03:37, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This image was nominated for deletion at WP:PUI. You uploaded a different image over the one that was there (which you should not have done) and removed the PUI tag (which you should not have done) and then claimed you were the copyright holder (which you should not have done) and release someone elses work to the public domain (which you cannot do). -Nv8200p talk 03:53, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The original uploader of the image was notified as required. -Nv8200p talk 03:55, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion of DarkSun

A tag has been placed on DarkSun requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a band, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for musical topics.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Cenarium (talk) 17:11, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination of DarkSun

I have nominated DarkSun, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DarkSun. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 22:35, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DarkSun

You asked for my help in saving this article. I did decline the speedy deletion, because, in my opinion, the assertion that the band had released albums meant that it was not a good candidate for speedy deletion. I don't have strong feelings one way or the other on whether or not the an article on the band should exist. I can give you some advice though. The problem that this article faces is that it lacks sources that are independent of the subject of the article. You may feel that the band would not lie on their homepage, but the sad fact is that some people do lie in order to make themselves seem more important. Given that, we cannot trust statements people make about themselves in order to establish whether or not a band, person or group is notable enough to have a wikipedia article. The article states that the band has had well recieved albums and tours. If this is so then there must be reviews and articles documenting that. If you can find references, then article may be able to be saved. If the band has won awards, and you can document that then the article will almost certainly be saved. I notice that the article does not mention that what label the band's albums were released on. If it was major or large label, then the band will almost certainly pass the notability criteria. If they were self released, then it will make it much harder for the band to do so. Please note, that the sources do not have to be on the internet, so long as they are publicly available. Nor do have to be in English, although a comparable English source is prefered over a non-English source. Please also note that if you cannot assemble the references before the AfD ends and the article is deleted, once you have found the references it will be possible to start a new article with the references. Good luck. Dsmdgold (talk) 03:40, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If they have large record label, by all means list it in the article, and bring it up at the AfD. The fact that we don't have an article on the label does not mean that it isn't significant. We have an institutional bias towards things in English speaking countries. Does the German wikipedia have an article on the label? Articles and reviews of the band will help greatly also. Dsmdgold (talk) 04:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation pages

Please stop disrupting Warcry (disambiguation) - your edits removed the forms of usage of the term and broke a link to one of the band articles. WP:DISAMBIG скоморохъ 15:44, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cut and paste moves

It appears that you recently copied the contents of a page and pasted it into another with a different name. This is what we call a "cut and paste move", and it is very undesirable because it splits the article's history, which is needed for attribution and is helpful in many other ways. The mechanism we use for renaming articles is to move it to a new name which both preserves the page's history and automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new. In most cases, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page. If there is an article that you cannot move yourself by this process, follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Requested moves to request the move by another. Also, if there are any other articles that you copied and pasted, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen. Please note that my reversion of you edits was to preseve the article history in one place and does not indicate my support for either location. Thanks, matt br 19:48, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have reverted your 'move' to keep future edits associated with the past edits made to the article. We are required to attribute all those who have contributed to an article under the terms of the licence the site uses, and we do this by maintaining the article history in one place, which would be possible in this case with the assistance of an administrator. Fixing histories split by cut and paste moves also requires an administrator, but it can be much harder to perform and sometimes it can be detrimental to the article history (providing the 'history merge' can be performed. If you wish for the article (and this includes the associated history) to be moved, please discuss the issue on the article talk page and use the process at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Thanks, matt br 20:10, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion of The Metal Observer

A tag has been placed on The Metal Observer, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate, such as at articles for deletion. Under the specified criteria, where an article has substantially identical content to that of an article deleted after debate, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. asenine ^t/_c 01:20, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The rather recent deletion discussion was about lack of sources about The Metal Observer itself, not about lack of reviews by The Metal Observer in Wikipedia. Since the article doesn't seem to address that, I've moved the draft into your user page at User:Rockk3r/The Metal Observer. If you can remedy these issues you may want to contact the closer of the AfD Moonriddengirl or myself before moving it back. Cheers. --Tikiwont (talk) 12:35, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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AfD nomination of Sauze

I have nominated Sauze, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sauze (band). Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Damiens.rf 17:15, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WarCry

In Spanish (as much in the titles as in the text) only the words that are "nombres propios" (names like John, Carl, Einstein, etc.), and first of each oration, must initiate with capital letter. The question is in what you are based to revert my changes? In addition, you have corrupted the history (something necessary so that the GFDL is fulfilled) when not moving the article well.

Eloy (talk) 15:31, 28 April 2008 s(UTC)

1) ¿Por qué querés dejarlos con mayúsculas si así está mal? Tanto la norma 3.3.3.g de la Ortografía de la RAE, como el punto 4.17 y de la entrada "mayúsculas del DPD, indican que está mal. Es muy común el uso de mayúscula indiscriminada en español por motivos de marketing (a veces incluso ponen faltas de ortografía más notables, sólo para llamar la atención). Pero eso no justifica que sea correcto, mucho menos aquí que no somo un sitio para hacer propaganda sino para difundir información. Y la información hay que divulgarla sin desvirtuarla (cualquier falta de ortografía sería una desvirtuar, aunque no sea intencional).

2) Ni siquiera en el sitio oficial [1] y [2] figura con mayúsculas. Si figurase "¿Dónde está la luz?" con otra grafía, podría discutirse (aunque esté en el sitio oficial no necesariamente representa la grafía oficial, ya que es un sitio para promocionarlo). Pero si hasta ellos lo escriben bien ¿cuál es el motivo para escribirlo mal?

Eloy (talk) 22:24, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1) "Lo ponemos en mayusculas para que no hayan confusiones en cual va mayuscula o minuscula". No existe ninguna norma que indique que deba hacerse eso. Por el contrario, las convenciones y las reglas ortográficas del español, indican que no deben ponerse mayúscula cuando no corresponda.

2) Por otro lado, Wikipedia no es una fuente primaria, y no hay ningún motivo legítimo para ponerlo así.

3) Si hay otro álbum con ese mismo nombre, lo que corresponde es que desambigues. Por ejemplo ¿Dónde está la luz? (WarCry album).

4) Finalmente, ¿qué tiene que ver que hayas sido el principal colaborar? Me parece bien que lo seas, pero eso no te atribuye ningún "poder" especial.

PD: Últimamente estoy dedicándome más a correcciones y a incluir referencias (alguien tiene que hacerlo) que a expandir.

Eloy (talk) 01:17, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bueno, veo que no me has dichos buenos motivos para mantener los títulos con mayúsculas así que voy a revertirlo. Con respecto a José Rubio estuve buscando bastante antes de hacer la revisión, y en su mismo sitio lo pone un muchos lados con tilde. Además de que me parece que son más las cantidades que está con tilde, y que nunca escuché "Jose" como nombre, me base en el siguiente razonamiento: ¿Qué es más probable: Que sea Jose y ellos mismos le hayan puesto tilde en la e, o que sea José y que se hayan olvidado de ponerle tilde? Es muy frecuente que las personas se olviden de poner tilde en una palabra. Sin embargo no es nada común ponerle la tilde donde no va.

Noticias en WarCry, 7 "José Rubio" y 0 "Jose Rubio".
Prensa en WarCry, 4 vs. 0
Aunque en su biografía aparece 0 vs. 5.

Por eso me incliné más a pensar que la palabra es aguda. Es posible que me haya equivocado, pero sería importante conseguir algún lugar donde aclare si es un nombre distinto, o si es un error de ortografía.

Eloy (talk) 23:53, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Como bien te he dicho, lo de José/Jose no tengo suficientes fuentes como para estar seguro de cómo es. Pero con el título del álbum sí estoy seguro que no va con mayúsculas.

1) La Real Academia Española dice: {{citation}}: Empty citation (help)

2) En la página oficial figura cumpliendo las reglas de ortografía.

3) Si quieres escribir el título mal, ése debe redirigir al título correcto y no al revés.

4) Tampoco me dices de dónde sacaste que el título del álbum va así, mientras que yo te mostré que no es así.

Yo te di tres motivos válidos para poner el título correcto, y vos ninguno para dejarlo mal. Por otro lado, lo mío no es nada personal, sólo es que quiero que las cosas se hagan bien. Espero que tú no lo tomes personal, que es la sensación que yo tengo.

Eloy (talk) 19:49, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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