User talk:Robertf103

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– the WikiProject Medicine team--Jytdog (talk) 21:09, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia and copyright

Hello Robertf103, and welcome to Wikipedia. All or some of your addition(s) to OPKO Health have been removed, as they appear to have added copyrighted material without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. While we appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from sources to avoid copyright and plagiarism issues here.

You can only copy/translate a small amount of a source, and you must mark what you take as a direct quotation with double quotation marks (") and cite the source using an inline citation. You can read about this at Wikipedia:Non-free content in the sections on "text". See also Help:Referencing for beginners, for how to cite sources here.
Aside from limited quotation, you must put all information in your own words and structure, in proper paraphrase. Following the source's words too closely can create copyright problems, so it is not permitted here; see Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing. (There is a college-level introduction to paraphrase, with examples, hosted by the Online Writing Lab of Purdue.) Even when using your own words, you are still, however, asked to cite your sources to verify the information and to demonstrate that the content is not original research.
Our primary policy on using copyrighted content is Wikipedia:Copyrights. You may also want to review Wikipedia:Copy-paste.
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It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 14:33, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Responding to your email. Thank you for your interest in working on wikipedia. There are a couple of problems with your submission. You cannot post copyright material on Wikipedia even if you are the copyright holder, unless special licensing permissions are in place. That is because Wikipedia aims to be freely distributable and copyable by anyone, and all content must have the appropriate documentation in place before that can happen. Please see Wikipedia:donating copyrighted materials which explains how it works.

The second problem is conflict of interest. Writing an article about your own organisation or that of a client is strongly discouraged, as it is difficult to maintain the required neutral point of view. According to our terms of use, paid editors and people editing on behalf of their employer are required to disclose their conflict of interest by posting a notice on their user page or talk page.

Editing for the purpose of advertising or promotion is not permitted. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, company, organization or competitors;
propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (see the {{request edit}} template);
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avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see WP:SPAM);
do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see WP:PAID). — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 05:22, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Paid editing

Hello Robertf103. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, and that you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially egregious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to Black hat SEO.

Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists, and if it does not, from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Robertf103. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Robertf103|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, please do not edit further until you answer this message. Jytdog (talk) 05:52, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please respond. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 14:37, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is not credible. You write exactly like a company marketing person, even to the extent of copy/pasting Opko's marketing material into Wikipedia, and you are blowing off talking with us, which would be necessary if you were to learn how to edit like a Wikipedian.

Thus far it is very clear that you have come here solely to promote this company. This is not an OK way to use your editing privileges. Jytdog (talk) 14:50, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

i have pasted the reply here, that was left on my talk page in this diff] Jytdog (talk) 15:41, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jytdog - I am NOT a company marketing person, I do not own stock in the company. The edits added are correct. The old page dated from 2011 and had incorrect information (such as OPKO being a NYSE company - it is listed on NASDAQ). All references I believe are accurate. The prostate issue is why I elected to do the page - my father died of prostate cancer at the age of 61 and two of my current friends have had their prostate removed (probably for the wrong reasons) in their 50's. Something you would not want i don't think. Please let me know how to do this page so it meets criteria for accuracy and fairness. Thanks! - Robert — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robertf103 (talk • contribs) 15:11, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for replying! Quick note on the logistics of discussing things on Talk pages, which are essential for everything that happens here. In Talk page discussions, we "thread" comments by indenting (see WP:THREAD) - when you reply to someone, you put a colon in front of your comment, which the Wikipedia software will render into an indent when you save your edit; if the other person has indented once, then you indent twice by putting two colons in front of your comment, which the WP software converts into two indents, and when that gets ridiculous you reset back to the margin (or "outdent") by putting this {{od}} in front of your comment. This also allows you to make it clear if you are also responding to something that someone else responded to if there are more than two people in the discussion; in that case you would indent the same amount as the person just above you in the thread. I hope that all makes sense. And at the end of the comment, please "sign" by typing exactly four (not 3 or 5) tildas "~~~~" which the WP software converts into a date stamp and links to your talk and user pages when you save your edit. That is how we know who said what to whom and when. I know this is insanely archaic and unwieldy, but this is the software environment we have to work on. Sorry about that. Will reply on the substance in a second... Jytdog (talk) 15:43, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for replying. I am very aware of the state of the state of the science and medicine around prostate cancer diagnosis. We have no good way to detect aggressive prostate cancer and distinguish it from indolent - the situation is not as bad as ovarian cancer or pancreatic cancer, but it is not good.

It is hard to understand how you could have thought your editing was appropriate. Reading it was like finding barrels oozing industrial waste while on a hike in Yellowstone, and my reaction was disgust.

Based on your edits to Valeant and this article you are apparently somebody who follows the stock market and who has read a lot of SEC filings.

On your user page you disclose that you have known the CEO since med school.

Perhaps it is the combination of those two things - the conflict of interest due to your relationship with the CEO, and thinking that company-sourced material is just fine, that led you to edit this way.

You asked above "how to do the page so it meets criteria for accuracy and fairness."

Our criteria are not "accuracy and fairness". If you want to learn what our mission is, and the strategies that the community has developed to realize the mission, please read User:Jytdog/How.

I am struggling to have good faith toward you - you dumped industrial waste into our beautiful project and plagiarized and violated copyright law in the course of doing that, harming us yet farther, and you added medical marketing content to Wikipedia which is completely disgusting -- and on top of all of that, you have attempted to distract me with heart-tugging bullshit.

If you want to learn how to edit like a Wikipedian I will help you, but you need to leave this disgusting stuff behind - you have abused Wikipedia to "sell" Opko and market its offerings; please never edit like that again.

Please reply here after you have read the "How" document and let me know what you understand. Please also read the messages in the sections above. Jytdog (talk) 16:29, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for generally failing to engage the community in a positive and useful manner, including violating WP:NOTPROMO, WP:COPYVIO, and WP:NPA.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Ian.thomson (talk) 01:35, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]